Genealogy Chat

Greeting’s Again Sarah….. Anyone can be a Witness to a Marriage……. Possible Reasons :~ May be the parents were diseased. Parents did not approve of the Marriage. The Parish Clark’s seemed to like to sign as Witnesses I have seen loads. ….. Some people made a living from being Professional Witnesses. May be the Marriage was performed by Licence. ? Due to they wanted to marry quickly So Parents or Relatives could not make it ? Or I could see that the Rector / Vicar of Hungarton at one time was a Thomas CLARK So maybe a relative ? So did they sign the Register that they were Church Warden / Parish Clark then ? MIKE.

Hi Mike I am having trouble finding the date of death for my great grandfather John Timson he was born on 20 July 1842 in Leicester and last known address 93 Mount Road Leicester according to 1901 census. Any ideas? Thanks Ken Hastings, Papakura, NZ.

Greeting’s & Welcome Back……… Ken O’ Hunua. There you Go…… Welford Road Cemetery TIMSON John 1926 Sep 21 Aged 84 N.E. Infirmary. C/o / No. 8 Dronfield Street Leicester Un 1253 F U115845 [North Evington Infirmary] E.N. Infirmary = Leicester General Hospital. Plus other Timson’s in the same Plot No.:~ U.N. 1253. TIMSON Caroline 1946 Oct 22 78 23 Upper Kent Street Leicester 129839 TIMSON FREDERICH WILLIAM 1920 JUL 28 50 23 UPPER KENT STREET LEICESTER 108749 Dronfield Street ( Mere Rd to East Park Rd. ) Is the other side of Spinny Hill Park to Mount Road . aprox. 1/2 mile apart. Upper Kent Street ran from Upper Conduit Street up to Kent Street / Upper Charnwood Street. Hope this helps you If not then the other choice would be Gilroes Crematorium / Cemetery. Which I have no records for You need to get in touch with below :~ Address: Burial & Cremation Manager, New Walk Centre, Welford Place, Leicester, LE1 6ZG. Telephone (U.K.): 0116 252 7382/7383 Fax (U.K): 0116 222 8706 E-Mail: cemeteries(Hat)leicester.gov.uk Remove the (Hat) & brackets and replace with other Icon. MIKE.

Thanks Mike I believe that this John probably is my great grandfather although I do not recognise the names of the other two people, I was half expecting him to have been buried with his wife Hannah (nee Yates) or his son Alfred (1868 - 1940) and his daughter Emma (1870 - c1948).! Regards Ken

Greeting’s Again Ken O’ Hunua. This could be John’s wife then ? Plus other Timson’s within the same plot No. U.N. 515. TIMSON Hannah 1885 Aug 11 Aged. 39 North Evington Leicestershire Un 515 C U56069 [Infirmary?] TIMSON Doris 1895 Jul 23 6mths Brook Street Saint Margaret 77075 TIMSON Kathleen 1900 Mar 10 19mths Hamilton House, Green Lane Road Leicester 87350 Closest for Emma. ? No other Timson’s within the same Plot No. C.K. 163. TIMSON Emma 1948 Mar 12 Aged 77 Hillcrest, Swain Street / 287 Aylestone Road Leicester Ck 163 F C70218 One reason that they were not together That no one was a round to tell Undertakers that There were other family members within the Cemetery ? MIKE.

Hi Mike You are correct, Hannah was John's wife, the children were daughters of Alfred and Elizabeth (nee watts) my grandparents. They had at least 4 children die in early infancy and people think they have it hard these days! Thanks again Mike. Regards Ken

George Ripton, born about 1828 in Leicester (died 1910 Bury St Edmunds). I have found him on the 1871-1901 census (won't find him in 1851 & 61 as he was serving abroad in the army). On each entry he states his place of birth as Leicester or Leicestershire. From his marriage certificate I know that his father's name was Thomas Ripton. I can't find him or Thomas on the 1841 census, and haven't yet been able to get to Leicester to go through the Parish Records. This is a long shot, but I thought I would add him onto this thread in case anyone came across him in their searches.

Greeting’s & Welcome…….. Caroline. I’m sorry to say like your good self I failed to Find either George or Thomas his Father on any Census returns before 1871. Even using “ search Wild Cards” & different spellings. I just had a feeling that Thomas was also a Military Man ? But was not able to find them at known locations of Barracks, within the City / Country of Leicester. I think your proposed visit to the Records Office would be a mammoth task. ……….. Seeing that there was Five principle Parishes within the City at this time..... Then to trawl through these would not be completed within one sitting. Plus the information if you are successful would be basic Date, Christian Name, Name of Parents. Address, Occupation of Father. Or just Father / Mothers name if born out of wedlock. Have you thought of coming at it from another angle ?....... Through George’s Army Service Records ? This would mean visiting the National Archive Office. Kew. London Useful search hints & tips can be gained from visiting their web site:~ www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm Browse this site plus…… Follow the link to “ More Army History……” Good Luck in your search. If your require help again just ask on here. MIKE.

Mike, thanks for your reply. And for pointing out what a big task it'd be looking for George at the Leicester Records Office. I did think of trying to trace him through his military service record. At the time I wasn't able to get to Kew, so I used a private researcher - who was recommended on TNA website. Sadly they couldn't find any of his records. I haven't completly given up though and plan to go to Kew myself to have a look. I do know he was definatley in the army as I have his marriage certificate and some of his children's birth certificates. I did once find an Ann Ripton, who married in Syston, Leicestershire in 1824. Thanks though for having a look for him on the census. You're prossibly right about his father being a military man (though his occupation on George's marriage cert was Groom), that would explain why we can't find him I guess.

Greeting’s again……… Caroline. I find that surprising that the “ Professionals “ Said they could NOT find Army records….. On the 71,81. Census is clearly states George was a “ Colour Sergeant W. & S. Militia “ b Leicester. 1891. = Pensioner. Manager of Bakehouse. ( Seeing Louse's occupation stated Confectioner ) 1901. = Army Pensioner. I would pack a few sandwiches & a flask And go to Kew yourself Records have improved over the years. … I’ve had another whiz round by disks …… Re:~ Your Ann’s marriage in Syston 1824. ? Ummm ? …… It did not show on my Parish Registers for Syston for that Date. I have the following :~ St. Peter’s & Paul Parish Church. Syston. Ann REPTON. ~ Mathew Toon. 29th. December. 1834. Both of this Parish By Banns. The above record appeared on two disks. plus on line Records 'Phillimores early Marriages'. .... Had another look for Thomas Marriage. ? Closest hits :~ St, Mary de Castro Parish Church Leicester. Thomas RIPPIN. Mary Gil. 7th. February. 1813. By Banns. MIKE.

Thanks again Mike. I can't remember where I found reference to Ann Ripton's marriage. I scribbled it on a piece of paper a few years back (before I realised how important it was to keep a record of all sources). I think I will definatly go to Kew (I was also surprised that the professional couldn't find it). Thanks for taking the time to have a look - it's appreciated. If I ever find George or Thomas I'll update this message. Update: 18th May. Went to TNA yesterday to look for George's military records, and I didn't have any sucess. I may have to accept that George is going to be a brick wall.

Hi I am Looking for the parents of Thomas Kirby b.1778 in Barrowden, Rutland. I know that Thomas married Alice Foster in 1802 but am stumped as to his parents identities. Has anyone got any ideas? Gina

hi mike could you do me a favour plz next time you go ro plz could you lookup john barsby marriage to mary chambers 1779 6th sept hungerton leicester and see how old they were when they got married plz i would go myself but im not well at the mo many thanks sarah

Greeting’s & Welcome………..Gina I’m afraid I do not have early Parish Records For Barrowden ……. But as the saying goes “ I know a man that could have “ SO in the meantime Kirby Burials for Barrowden :~ Names / Dates / Ages / Notes. Kirby Henry 16 Dec 1814 Inf Kirby Mary 11 Jan 1815 69 Kirby Priscilla 17 May 1822 65 Kirby Catherine 20 Feb 1823 Inf Kirby John 02 Apr 1826 38 Chelsea Pensioner Kirby Sarah 19 Sep 1828 6 Small Pox Kirby Thomas 05 May 1834 9 Kirby Charles 28 Feb 1837 Inf Kirby * THOMAS * 05 Sep 1838 60 Kirby John 18 Apr 1845 7mths Kirby Charles Thomas 30 Aug 1846 Inf Kirby Joseph 22 Jan 1847 70 Kirby Mary 26 Aug 1847 30 Kirby George 05 Sep 1847 Inf Kirby Ellen 21 Aug 1850 Inf Kirby Emma 17 Dec 1854 6 Kirby Francis 31 Jan 1855 3 Kirby Ann 14 Mar 1855 76 Kirby Elizabeth 26 Feb 1856 76 Kirby Sarah Ellen 14 May 1856 Inf Four Born At Same Time - One Died At Birth Child. Of Tom & Elizabeth Kirby Kirby Abraham 14 May 1856 Inf Four Born At Same Time - One Died At Birth Child. Of Tom & Elizabeth Kirby Kirby Thomas 20 May 1856 Inf Four Born At Same Time - One Died At Birth Child. Of Tom & Elizabeth Kirby Kirby William 14 Oct 1856 Inf Kirby Henry 05 Nov 1856 34 Kirby Mary Jane 14 Jan 1857 1 1/2 Kirby William 30 Mar 1858 2 Kirby William 26 Dec 1858 14 Kirby Charles Swann 21 Jan 1859 5 Kirby Eleanor 01 Feb 1859 6 Kirby John 29 Jul 1859 84 Abode Easton Northamptonshire Kirby * ALICE * 09 Jun 1862 81 Kirby Mary 31 Jan 1865 43 Kirby Rebecca 16 Aug 1879 73 Kirby Susan 01 Sep 1880 72 Kirby Betsy 16 Aug 1881 70 Kirby Hannah Eliza 24 Dec 1881 30 Kirby William 18 Sep 1883 79 Kirby Mary Jane 08 Jan 1885 26 Kirby George 15 Jun 1885 69 Kirby Ann 18 Oct 1886 63 Kirby John 17 Feb 1890 86 Abode Wakerley * = Thomas & Alice’s Burials ? I’ll ask my college on another site who’s a bit of an expert for Rutland Who has most early Parish Records for Rutland Hopefully he’ll be able to help you. ……. “ Watch this space.” MIKE.

Greeting’s Again Sarah……… Ages were not given on early Parish Marriage Registers….. If it did then I would have included it within my posting of the details for this marriage. Sorry….. MIKE.xx Posted by Mike the Leicestershire Lad 1st. Feb. 2007 at 22.51 hrs :~ ANNO DOMINI. ~ 1779. St. John the Baptist Parish Church Hungarton. Entry No. 3. John Barsby ~ MARY CHAMBERS Both of this Parish. Married in this Church following Banns. By Me B. Clarke Vicar. This Sixth Day of September One Thousand Seven Hundred & Seventy Nine. Wits :- William Orton. Thomas King.

Greetings Mike If you hold an index for the Leicestershire 1871 census can you please check for; William TOMKINS b1833 Susannah TOMKINS b1835 George Henry TOMKINS b1858 Samuel TOMKINS b1860 all one family, they appear on all other census returns except 1871. Regards Jon O'Kent

*** F.A.O. *** .......GINA Greeting's Again......... Gina, THERE YOU GO........ Hi Mike Barrowden Baptism, Burials 1701 - 1812 Marriages 1701 - 1754 DE 2021/2 Fiche 1 of 3 29 Jan 1779 Thomas son of John & Mary Kirby. Regards Paul. ************ The Jury is still out on the Marriage details MIKE. xxx

hi mike thanks sorry to have asked but im stuck on trying to find any info on this john barsby many thanks sarah

Hi Mike Just in case you have nothing to do!! Could you see if you can locate Caroline Timson (c1868 - 1946)for me on a census. I can not locate her on 1881 although she was alive and kicking at the time. Thanks Ken

Hi Mike Just in case you have nothing to do!! Could you see if you can locate Caroline Timson (c1868 - 1946)for me on a census. I can not locate her on 1881 although she was alive and kicking at the time. Thanks Ken