Genealogy Chat

Birth Name: William Thomas Frederick Kidby Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec DISTRICT: Ipswich County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 547

I think the Sarah Robinson aged 24yrs with the family in Holborn in 1841, is probably the same Sarah aged 34yrs with the elder Thomas Robinson in Ipswich in 1851.

Possible marriage for Maria Name: Maria Robinson Year of Registration: 1858 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep DISTRICT: Ipswich County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 847 Name: William Kidby Year of Registration: 1858 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep DISTRICT: Ipswich County: Suffolk Volume: 4a Page: 847 ================ 1861 Name: Maria Kidby Age: 27 Estimated birth year: abt 1834 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: William Gender: Female Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Ipswich St Mary At The Tower County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Ipswich Sub-registration district: St Margaret ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 156a Household Members: Name Age Maria Kidby 27 William Kidby 21 William T W Kidby 1 RG9; Piece: 1166; Folio: 88; Page: 37

Think i am slowly getting hang of this, so The Thomas in suffolk in 1841 is the father of the Thomas living is holborn? So excuse me if i am being dim but where do the Emma and Amelia fit in with my family?

Nancy Are Emma and Amelia, two children you may not have known about.

I agree with Ivy, Maria and Amelia are two seperate people. The fact that both Thomas' in 1841 are cordwianers or shoemakers and that in 1851 Thomas senior is a seargeant at mace like Thomas junior in 1861 has got to mean a connection. I think it all fits.

Nancy, I agree with your summary, with the possible addition of two separate children, Maria born about 1830, and Amelia Mary Ann born about 1832. Sue's info may show Amelia (born London?) resident with her grandparents in 1841. I think I have seen it said before that when a vicar found an unbaptised child, they would often baptise all the children together, including those that had previously been baptised. Also, I'm not sure when the practice ceased, but baptism may be one way of obtaining a settlement certificate. One genealogist has obtained around 17 separate baptisms in different parishes for one child!

right let me see if i have got this straight and please correct me if i am wrong..... The1841 Census for St Andrews Holborn is my family Thema is Thomas, George is Sarah And Fredrick is in fact Thomas Fredrick. Emma was Born in 1840 and dies in 1843. I am right in thinking that Maria jnr is in fact Amelia Mary Anne? But then i had All the children being christened together in suffolk (someone gave this info). Then who is the Family that Sue found in Ipswich in 1841? I know that i definately have the right family in 1851 I have traced them forward and have a direct line from William Henry Walter Through to my own father.

wow thanks for all the info will have a good look and check it against what i know for certain

Possible marriage from Boyds index for the senior Thomas and Mary 1808/ ROBINSON THO /BROOKS MARY/ IPSWICH, ST MARY TOWER / SUFFOLK

1851 Name: Thomas Robinson Age: 62 Estimated birth year: abt 1789 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Ipswich St Mary At The Tower Town: Ipswich County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Ipswich Sub-registration district: St Clement ED, institution, or vessel: 1b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 95 Household Members: Name Age Charles Gellenntam 24 William Quinton 20 Sarah Robinson 34 Thomas Robinson 62 - seargeant at mace

1841 HO 107/1043/4 - Ipswich St. Clement Folio 15, Pages 22 and 23 Rope Walk ROBINSON Thomas - 50 - cordwainer Mary - 50 - not born in county Emma - 18 - dressmaker AMELIA - 8 - not born in county

Death of a possible Emma Name: Emma Robinson Year of Registration: 1843 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec DISTRICT: Holborn County: London, Middlesex Volume: 2 Page: 125

Wow! I'm impressed, what a great piece of detective work! I had tried to help on the earlier thread and failed. I bet a professional genealogist wouldn't have sorted that out. Good work. Margaret

Andrea :-) well done.

1859 marriage Edward Burnett 1859 Jan-Feb-Mar Ipswich Suffolk Sarah Georgianna Robinson 1859 Jan-Feb-Mar Ipswich Suffolk Only two names given but edward seems to be the one as 1861 Name: Edward Burnett Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1839 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Ipswich, Suffolk, England Civil parish: Ipswich St Helen County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Registration district: Ipswich Sub-registration district: St Margaret ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Edward Burnett 22 head mariner b Ipswich Sarah Burnett 22 wife b London Amelia Robinson 27 sister in law dressmaker b London Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1166; Folio: 48; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542767.

Hi This is def the same family as in 1851 census. I've also looked at the images, as said earlier, George ?! is your Sarah. 1841 England Census Name: Thema Robinson Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1809 Gender: Male Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars) Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: St Andrew Western Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thema Robinson 32 Maria Robinson 34 Maria Robinson 11 Fredk Robinson 6 George Robinson 4 (Sarah) Emma Robinson 1 Sarah Robinson 24 Servant Thomas Allen 22 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 670; Book: 11; Civil Parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars); County: Middlesex; Enumeration District: 17; Folio: 22; Page: 10; Line: 3; GSU roll: 438785.

Having looked at the 1841 image closely I've found that 'George' was actually a daughter, written as Georg with a superscript 'a' at the end. So she should be Georgina or Georgiana. Possibly the enumerator may have misread a badly written Sarah as this. Have you found these on the IGI? THOMAS FREDERICK ROBINSON Male Birth: 04 MAR 1835 Christening: 26 APR 1835 Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England AMELIA MARY ANN ROBINSON Female Birth: 11 JUN 1832 Christening: 26 APR 1835 Saint Andrew, Holborn, London, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: THOMAS ROBINSON Family Mother: MARIA -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: P010518 1828 - 1836 0374359 Film 6901256 Film P010518 1828 - 1836 0374359 Film NONE Sadly there are no records for after 1836 but if Frederick was Thomas Frederick maybe Sarah was Georgina Sarah.

I have to go out will check back later to see if anyone has had any bright ideas.

hi Georgina Didnt want to duplicated everything that was was on my previous Robinson Brickwall thread. This is def them in 1851 Thomas Robinson Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Ipswich St Mary At The Elms County/Island: Suffolk Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Ipswich Sub-registration district: St Matthedw ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Frederick Robinson 16 Maria Robinson 45 Maria Robinson 20 Sarah Robinson 13 Thomas Robinson 42 William Robinson 8 And though this was them in 1841 Maria Robinson Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1807 Gender: Female Where born: Middlesex, England Civil parish: St Andrew Holborn (Above The Bars) Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division) County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: Occupation: View image Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: St Andrew Western Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Thomas Allen 22 Emma Robinson 1 Fredk Robinson 6 George Robinson 4 Maria Robinson 34 Maria Robinson 11 Sarah Robinson 24 Thema Robinson 32