Genealogy Chat

Maria, it's me again. Looking at the Brewer link, It seems as if the Brewer family were in Sparsholt too. In the marriages for Sparsholt we can find 09/04/1870 Frederick BREWER 30 (father John, Farmer) marrying Elizabeth MASLIN 24 from Sparsholt. Remember that Rebecca Goater's son in law is a Maslin so her daughter Jane was Jane Maslin. Jane's daughter was Elizabeth Maslin so this Elizabeth Maslin could well be Rebecca Goater's grandaughter, Elizabeth. So here is a Brewer marrying into the Goater family. Children of Frederick and Elizabeth (nee Maslin) BREWER Frances Emily 1870, Albert Hugh 1872, KATE ELIZABETH BREWER -1875, Rosa 1877, Andrew, 1878, George Henry 1881, This would make Elizabeth Maslin and your William junior half siblings and their children Kate and Henry the children of half siblings - so yes, they would be cousins! Now I don't know if that is your Kate in 1920 - it may be if she did not marry - it certainly seems likely. Or perhaps one of the male children named their child Kate - but here is your definite Brewer link to the Goater family. Yup, they're all related to each other. AlisonX

Alison You've been an absolute star today - thanks again. Lots of info to mull over now while I wait for the certs to land. If ever I can return the favour and give you a hand please let me know. Best wishes Maria

Here is Rebecca and William in the 1841 census with son William. So looks like just one son for Rebecca and William. William is an Ag Lab. A couple of doors up at what looks like Deluge Croft(!) is another Goater, Robert 56, wife Susannah, John 27 and Robert 19. A few more doors up Thomas Goater 43 Ag Lab, with Sarah 60. A couple of doors up George Goater 30 with Charlotte 40. We're overrun with Goaters! These must be brothers or cousins of William senior. 1841 England Census Name: Rebecca Goates (it should be Goater). Age: 50 Estimated birth year: abt 1791 Gender: Female Where born: Hampshire, England Civil parish: Sparsholt Hundred: Winchester Division Buddlesgate (Upper Half) County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: (Living at Dean, which seems to be next door to Gabwood Farm where David Goater aged 35 is living with wife Ann and children Jane, William, Henry, Kezia. Also Charles Goater, 28. Occupation: View image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: The Worthys Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Rebecca Goates 50 Wm Goates 48 Wm Goates 18 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 404; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Sparsholt; County: Hampshire; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 4; Page: 2; Line: 24; GSU roll: 288804. In the 1851 census Rebbeca, now a widow - again transcribed as Goates. Now calling herself a mother in law (so perhaps she had a daughter also). 1851 England Census 1851 England Census Name: Rebecca Goates Age: 62 Estimated birth year: abt 1789 Relation: Mother-in-law Gender: Female Where born: West Chalton, Wiltshire, England (Although this is different, this does seem to be your Rebecca). Civil parish: Sparsholt County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Disability: View image Registration district: Winchester Sub-registration district: Mitcheldever ED, institution, or vessel: 9 and 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 49 Household Members: Name Age Rebecca Goates 62 Arther Maslin 1 Elisabeth Maslin 3 Eliza Maslin 9 Ellen Maslin 1 Glenn Maslin 30 Henry Maslin 11 Jane Maslin 28 Walter Maslin 6 This daughter would be from her FIRST marriage. Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 1673; Folio: 185; Page: 15; GSU roll: 193581. So Jane her daughter, married to Glenn Maslin (funny name). Here are some other names to research. A couple of doors away are George Goater, aged 50, farm labourer, wife Lucy, children Susannah, Lucy, Charlotte, Sophia. Couple of doors up John Goater, 44 widower, Peter 15, living with Isaac and Mary Giles, all farm labourers. Couple of doors up James Goater 33, Mary 31, also farm labourers, with Sarah and Alfred. Robert Goater 28 is a parish clerk is married to Eliza a few doors up. Benjamin Goater is there with Frances, children Joseph and Phoebe, farm labouring. They all seem to be living at this place called Dealing Crofts or Deluge Crofts. Ooh, Thomas Goater is a grocer there with wife Susan and children. When you make this connection, your family tree will expand considerably. Signing off Alison

Dear Alison Yes, thanks I have this info from Rootschat (they're great on there aren't they but not as fast as on here!!!). Yes I also feel that the IGI entry (even if not totally accurate) is too early. If Rebecca is William's mystery daughter then that would make the William and Rebecca marriage extremely likely. To make matters even more interesting I've just found a George Brewer who was a fellow soldier of William's and must have joined at a similar time. I'm trying to find out more background on his wife (I think Sarah Ankers) to see if I can work out the cousin connection. I've passed on some of your great info to my dad who has been puzzling over William for years - he is thrilled to bits with the possible solution - so thanks a million and I will definitely let you know about little orphan Rebecca. Thanks again Alison All the best Maria

Hi Maria Your previous correspondence with someone else on Rootschat revealed 24 Feb 1828 Sparsholt, son of William, labourer and REBECCA, taken directly from Hampshire Parish Records. www.knightroots.co.uk has Hampshire BMDs for personal perusal. Press control and 'F' to reveal lists of BMDs. There is a marriage of a William Goater, widower (oh no) to Rebecca Miles, also a widow (oh no) of Sparsholt 25/12/1827. So this is them. I'm tending to go with the passing down of the name Rebecca. However, if this is he, he was married before! But never fear, we can find his first marriage! A William Goater married in Sparsholt in 1813 to Elizabeth Sims. She died in 1823, wife of William. Very kind of this website to provide all this information. If you make this connection it will all be done for you. Methinks it's the Sparsholt lot. So let's see births from William and Elizabeth... Frances 1814, Henry 1815, Edith 1817, James 1820 (where father calls himself William Jnr). Ann 1822 - and then poor Elizabeth died 1823 aged 36. Then William remarries Rebecca in 1827 and has William. Can't see any other children listed for William and Rebecca. Rebecca died 13/10/1853 aged 63 so she was born about 1890 and married as a widow about the age of 36. The only William that the LDS (Mormon) site lists is William Henry Goater, baptised 10 Aug 1817, parents William and Eleanor, St. Thomas, Winchester. They seem to have missed out Sparsholt. If you think this is too early then I think that our William is above. But that link is what we need to verify. Alison

Dear Alison You're a star!! I've been going back through my census info and the only William Goaters I can find the right-ish age seem to be listed without families(!) Can you do me one last favour and tell me which one you think it is?! Will certainly keep you updated re Rebecca - I have sent for birth cert (fingers crossed) and will get death cert also. Thanks again for your help and expertise - I am starting to feel hopeful that William will not be lost for ever. Best wishes Maria

Hi Maria Here we go. 1861 England Census 1861 England Census Name: Rebecca Goater Age: 11 Estimated birth year: abt 1850 Relation: Inmate Gender: Female Where born: N (not known) Civil parish: New Alresford County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Alresford Sub-registration district: Alresford ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 89 Household Members: Name Age Sarah Anich 11 Julia Barfoot 8 Alexaunder Brown 8 Charlotte Collyer 62 William Felton 4 Rebecca Goater 11 Alice Jenn 10 Maria Mauble 15 Ellen Mc Allisten 10 Emily McKoy 9 Elizabeth Rowland 15 Martha Woogn 12 Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 703; Folio: 12; Page: 19; GSU roll: 542687. The paediatric orphan asylum seems to be next to Church Cottages, indicating that it was a concern of the church then. Think this would be St. John's Church, Alresford. I wonder who this child is. There is no relevant birth entry for her indicating that it might be your Rebecca who was born abroad. The death entry for this child (I presume) Rebecca Goater est. birth year. about 1850 Year of Registration 1867 April-May-June Age at death: 17 District Alresford Hampshire 2c Page 81. I think that you know that by a process of elimination who your 2 William Goaters must be as there only seems to be one William with father William in Hampshire area around that time. But you need to make that connection somehow - and it will be out there. I am very interested in your conundrum now and am curious about this poor child. Let me know how you get on. Alison.

Dear Bryan Thanks so much for that. I will certainly have a look at it. Best wishes Maria

Miriam I notice a will for a William GOATER is available for download from Nationalarchives gov uk It says he is a Gardener of Upham in Hampshire which is SW of Winchester. The date (which would be the date of probate not when the will was made) is 1853. It will cost you £3.50 to get a copy but worth a go I think. Bryan

Dear Alison Thanks so much for taking so much time and trouble to find out the information on Rebecca - it really is extremely good of you. I will do some digging and see what I can find. If she is William's daughter I can't understand why she wasn't with the rest of her family - unless she was sick and they couldn't take her with them to Malta. They were back in England in 1855 so I wonder why she didn't join them, maybe I'll never know. Sorry to be a pest but is there any chance you could post the census entry - my subs to findmypast has just finished and I am keeping a low profile until the credit card statement lands!! Many thanks again for all your help Best wishes Maria

Maria From a quick google, it would seem that this orphanage did eventually come under the auspices of NCH - although NCH did not technically begin until 1869 in Lambeth (when a couple of years later they took in my great grandfather). They tell me they do not have his records any longer as the batch must have gone missing as it is so long ago. The same may likely apply to Rebecca although she may have stayed in the home until she was about 17 - which still only takes us to 1867 - which is when a Rebecca Goater of Alresford died. Even so, you may be lucky. I'm not sure what info her death certificate will give you, I suppose informant and cause of death - it won't tell you who her parents are. What makes me think that it could be her is that there is no apparent english birth certificate for her. Alison

Hi Maria Sorry, I just searched for Rebecca Goater on Ancestry. One entry comes up alone for the 1861 census and that is for a Rebecca Goater aged 11, inmate of a very small infirmary called the paediatric orphan asylum in New Alresford, Hampshire. There are only a handful of children, a nurse and couple of teachers. One would need to find out what umbrella this orphanage came under, i.e. Barnardos, NCH or perhaps a local parish orphanage - some googling to be done - and then write off to that concern to see if they have her records in their archives. They may want to know your relationship to her. Alison

Dear Alison Thanks for that. Where did you find this information? How do I go about accessing the orphanage records? If she is William's daughter she must have been left behind by the family for some reason as Henry was born in 1853 in Malta. You're right that people had to remarry fast - William's wife Ellen remarried to a fellow soldier also William and went on to have 2 more children and her second husband remarried on her death and had more children!! Thanks again for your input. Best wishes Maria

Hi Maria If this is your Rebecca and her dad died in 1855ish, there is a Rebecca Goater, orphan, in a childrens' home in Hampshire. It says, it is not known where she is born. Although if this is her, it is sad, sending off for the records would let you know her family circumstances when she was admitted - if the records survive. A Rebecca Goater born about 1850 died in 1867 in the area - again if that is her that would be sad. There is no marriage entry for a Rebecca Goater. I got records for one of my ancestors who was in Barnardos, it told me about the parents, grandparents and included three photos. I was delighted. My great grandfather was put in a childrens' home when his father died, even though his mum was still alive. They struggled terribly then and usually went on to remarry if at all possible. Alison

Dear All Thanks so much for your input and sorry for the delay in replying - I've been busy this weekend trying to keep my 10 year old twins entertained in the pouring rain!! Thanks for the info on Rebecca - I have sent for her birth cert so fingers crossed!! I've had two researchers working at Kew on my behalf. I'd love to go myself but family, work etc,. make it virtually impossible. Firstly I paid the regimental researchers from the Wardrobe and they didn't find anything. Then Heather (positive tinker) put me onto Kevin Asplin who also couldn't find any personal details on him. I agree that finding out details on Henry's cousin is a long shot however the problem I have is without any background on William I'm really struggling. I have photos of William Goater the famous Hampshire horse trainer and James who was a jockey and the family resemblance to my grandfather is startling. I know there's a link there somewhere!!! Thanks again for all your input and interest, it's very much appreciated. Best wishes Maria

Maria When you say you cannot find any army info on him, was a proper search of muster rolls etc undertaken? These can give service record, description and origin of soldier. I think by searching for his cousin and an old address we may be making more work for ourselves. Alison

This is the family at 1 Aden Villas in 1901 - don't think it is any help Name: Harry Liming Age: 38 Estimated birth year: abt 1863 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Crookham, Hampshire, England Civil parish: Seale Ecclesiastical parish: Tangham St Paul Town: Tongham County/Island: Surrey Country: England Registration district: Farnham Sub-registration district: Farnham ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 140 Household Members: Name Age Charlotte Liming 37 Guy J Liming 2 Harry Liming 38 Kathleen Liming 6 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 615; Folio: 104; Page: 23.

Tongham, Surrey is on the A31 and just South of Aldershot - which fits with the army Peter

I can see from Rootschat that you do have the marriage certificate. Also that the 1841 Lookups come up with Hampshire, Sparsholt. William 48, Rebecca 50, William 13. Here is the name Rebecca again. Alison.

Hi there I am not sure if you have Henry Goater's birth certificate but it may be worth sending for it. On Find My Past it is listed. GOATER, Henry, MALTA, 1853, 49th Regiment Vol 961 Page 12. Also GOATER, Rebecca, BALLINGARRY, 1848, 49th Regiment, Vol 961 Page 11. Rebecca is probably a sibling of Henry. I know that sometimes these overseas certificates don't tell you that much. Also do you have their marriage certificate? Alison