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Hello Karin
The GRO is just an index. One would need the certificate to get the full information.

However
You can use the GRO index information to find a WARD to SMITH marriage and see if they had more children in that area. You might find them in 1911 census or the person you mentioned should be on the 1921 census.

Freebmd is where most of us look for marriage information, but again, that is just an index.

Ok, thank you very much for the explanation. I'll carry on searching.

There are no male Ward marriages to a female Smith in North Bierley, 1890-1913.

However, there are these births:

WARD, ADA mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1905 S Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 170

WARD, LENA mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1900 M Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 179

WARD, JULIA MARY mmn SMITH
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 176


So this is the family in 1901:

Fred Ward
in the 1901 England Census
Name Fred Ward
Age 26
Estimated Birth Year abt 1875
Relation to Head Head
Gender Male
Spouse Pollie Ward
Birth Place Clayton, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Clayton
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Ecclesiastical parish Clayton St John the Baptist
Town Clayton
County/Island Yorkshire
Country England
Registration district North Bierley
Sub-registration district Thornton
ED, institution, or vessel 15
Neighbors
Piece 4179
Folio 92
Page number 14
Household schedule number 86
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Fred Ward 26 Head
Pollie Ward 27 Wife
Julia M Ward 4 Daughter
Lena Ward 1 Daughter


The parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Smith Polly Bradford, Y. 9b 57
Ward Fred Bradford, Y. 9b 57

1921 Census Of England & Wales
15, Granville Street, Clayton, Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Fred Ward Head Male 1875 46 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Wool Sorter Laycock Son & Co Wool Top Makers
Polly Ward Wife Female 1873 47 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Home Duties -
Julia M Ward Daughter Female 1897 24 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Piece Mender Thackerey Bros Burlers & Menders
Lena Ward Daughter Female 1900 21 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Millinery Wharehouseman Assistant Hardman & Baxter Millenery Wharehouse
Ada Ward Daughter Female 1905 15 Clayton, Yorkshire, England Spinner (Worsted) J Benn & Co Oak Mills Clayton
Irene Ward Daughter Female 1913 7 Clayton, Yorkshire, England - -

Which sites do you have access to, Karin?

If we know that, we can steer you in the right direction more effectively.............

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hartshead Moor, Hartshead cum Clifton, Halifax, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Ottare Head
- Male 47 1824 journeyman currier Ireland
Mary Ottare Wife
- Female 40 1831 - Yorkshire, England
Thomas H Ottare Son
- Male 9 1862 - Yorkshire, England
Arthur A Ottare Son
- Male 3 1868 - Yorkshire, England
John M Ottare Son
- Male 0 1871 - Yorkshire, England


Can't put in any correction or explanation on fmp as the transcript does look like Ottare :-(


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Roberttown Road, Liversedge, Dewsbury, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas O'Hare Head
Widower Male 49 1842 Leather currier Ireland
Arthur A O'Hare Son
Single Male 28 1863 Coal miner Yorkshire, England
John O'Hare Son
Single Male 26 1865 Clogger Yorkshire, England
John Asquith Grandson
Single Male 4 1887 Scholar Yorkshire, England

Think John is 20 and Arthur is 23.

1871 census already posted on page 1.

On Ancestry, an Ancestry user has submitted a correction of the surname spelling.

Hello,
You're all amazing as always.
I'm on, Genes reunited, familysearch, GRO and freecen etc.
I didn't renew my subscription with Ancestry as it was getting too expensive.
I really appreciate all the information you've given me.
Thank you.

OK, so no paid-for sites, apart from this one............no probs

How much use do you make of the records which are available on here? They are limited, I know, but you may find some help there.....................

The records on this site are limited but I find the help you get on here is fantastic. I don't expect you to do it all for me but with the information I've been given I've managed to put two and two together.

Karin, if you are in the UK you may find that your library service has free access to Ancestry. It is worth checking it out then you can follow the information found for you.

Saves a fortune if you can use it. Sometimes it is FMP or both.

Hi, yes that's a great idea.
I live in York and will be visiting their library soon, they have Ancestry so that's good.
Thanks,
Karin.

Don't be afraid to ask for help on here..............those of us who give assistance love doing so

I am going to the library on Thursday but meanwhile just a question.
I've found the marriage of Ada Ward in 1900 to Joseph Smith.
Julia Ward in 1921 to Albert Sharp and Lena Ward in 1922 to Albert Harrison.
Can I find information regarding any issue ftom these marriages or is that information still withheld because it's too recent.
Thanks.
Karin.

Freebmd for post-1911

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

GRO for earlier

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

ALSO..................for later births if you want full forenames, although MMN is not on the GRO post-1923


The only other info which is witheld is on the1939 register for people born less than 100 years ago whose deaths have not been picked up

1939 Register
4 The Grove, Shipley, Shipley U.D., Yorkshire (West Riding), England
Albert Sharp 12 ? 1895 Male Director Of A Wool Merchant Topmaker Wool Comber Married 92 1
Julia M Sharp 25 Dec 1896 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 92 2
Eric W Sharp 20 May 1922 Male Apprentice To Wool Sorting Ty Mak Single 92 3
Neville D Sharp 01 May 1927 Male At School Single 92 4
The record for this person is officially closed.

The record for this person is officially closed.

Marriages Dec 1922 (>99%)
BAINES Frances E Harrison N. Bierley 9b 9
GREENWOOD George H Ward North Bierley 9b 9
HARRISON Albert Baines N.Bierley 9b 9
WARD Lena Greenwood N.Bierley 9b 9

WARD did not marry HARRISON

1939 Register
20 Townley Avenue, Halifax, Brighouse M.B., Yorkshire (West Riding), England

George H Greenwood 14 Apr 1900 Male Furniture Sales Manager Married 36 1
Lena Greenwood 29 Dec 1899 Female Household Duties (Unemp) Married 36 2
The record for this person is officially closed.
Betty Greenwood 09 Oct 1860 Female Incapacitated Widowed 36 4

Just as well you checked! So it was Greenwood.
Thank you!

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Crapper Ann Caroline N. Bierley 9b 300
Shaw David Lee N. Bierley 9b 300
Smith Joseph N. Bierley 9b 300
Ward Ada N. Bierley 9b 300

SMITH, JAMES ARTHUR WARD
GRO Reference: 1903 J Quarter in NORTH BIERLEY Volume 09B Page 216