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Thank you Erika and Shirley. John snr was born 1811 and John jnr born 1839. John snr at Bradley and John jnr at Dudley. Most of the family emigrated to Canada but father John and wife Mary Ann came back to England. Ellen Allsop who is 3 on 1861 census and shown as daughter has no mother's maiden name on gov website and I think is probably illegitimate. Mary Ann Allsop's (born 1810) maiden name is Done. They are on 1871 census for Canada. Unfortunately, there are a few John Allsops in Wolverhampton area. I will dig further and may have to resort to buying certificates. Thanks again for your help.

So looks like it was John snr placed the ad in the paper.

Name Richard Mincher
Marriage Age 30
Record Type Marriage
Birth Date abt 1835
Residence Place Salop St
Marriage Date 3 Jun 1865
Marriage Place Wolverhampton, St Mark, Staffordshire, England
Father Adison Mincher
Spouse Mary Ann Allsop
Father John Allsop
Religion Anglican
Page number 100


1851
Name John Allsop
Age 40
Estimated Birth Year abt 1811
Relation Head
Spouse's Name Mary Ann Allsop
Gender Male
Where born Bradley, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish Tipton
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Registration district Dudley
Sub-registration district Tipton
ED, institution, or vessel 1u
Neighbors View others on page
Household schedule number 25
Piece 2029
Folio 652
Page number 8
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
John Allsop 40 Head
Mary Ann Allsop 41 Wife
Mary Ann Allsop 17 Daughter
Mathew Allsop 15 Son
John Allsop 11 Son
William Allsop 8 Son
James Allsop 4 Son
Samuel Allsop 1 Son

As you don't know whether the John who placed the advert was father or brother of Mary, you can't have any idea of his age, so looking for him isn't really possible

If this is your John then he is a lodger

1881 census
Name John Allsop
Age 70
Estimated Birth Year abt 1811
Relationship to Head Lodger
Gender Male
Where born Gnosall, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish Wolverhampton
County/Island Staffordshire
Country England
Street Address Back of 29 Vauxhall Middle Court 2
Marital Status Widower
Occupation Labourer
Registration district Wolverhampton
Sub registration district Wolverhampton Western
ED, institution, or vessel 37
Neighbors View others on page
Piece 2798
Folio 79
Page number 29
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
James Tolley
68
Head
Jane Tolley
77
Wife
John Allsop 70 Lodger


Died 1886

Name John Allsopp
Age 75
Estimated Birth Year abt 1811
Registration Quarter Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date Jun 1886
Inferred Death Place Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Volume 6b
Page 291


John Allsopp
BIRTH
unknown
DEATH
16 Jun 1886
BURIAL
St. Michael and All Angels Churchyard
Tettenhall, Metropolitan Borough of Wolverhampton, West Midlands, England
MEMORIAL ID
200099907 · View Source
MEMORIAL
PHOTOS 0
FLOWERS 0
Inscription
16 June 1886 Allsopp John Coleman Street, Whitmore Reans 75 G.B.Hilliard

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
9, Evans Street, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Margaret Wright Head Widow Female 73 1808 - Worcestershire, England
John Jones Boarder Married Male 50 1831 Factors clerk (unemployed) Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Hello Duncan, I have searched his name but not sure if any of them are my John Allsop. You can search by address on FMP but I don't have a subscription. Thank you trying.

I have looked and failed. 4 John Allsop's were in Wolverhampton, but none of the addresses were 9 Evans Street. Having said that, I don't know how to search for an address as opposed to a person.

If you know how to do it, I believe the 1881 census is free access for everybody without membership of any genealogy sites. Worth a google.

Good luck

Why not search on his name on the 1881 census ?

The following is an advert in the "Wanted" section of the Northern Daily Mail, Hartlepool for 20 December 1883:

"The address of Richard Mincher, pudler, late of Wolverhampton, apply John Allsop, 9 Evans Street, Whitmore Reans, Wolverhampton"

Richard married Mary Ann Allsop who could be either John's sister or daughter. I already have a thread for the Mincher family so don't need anything for them. All I would like is if someone could please take a look at the 9 Evans Street address on the 1881 census to see if John Allsop (or any other Allsop) is there. Thank you.