Genealogy Chat

I have been looking at Norman Ewart Baxter, born 1919 Hartlepool, and found a death record also 1919, age 0. I also found another tree on Ancestry with him on it, showing born and died 1919.

My friend will order the 1967 marriage certificate as soon as she can, I don’t think we can get any further until that arrives.
Thank you so much to you all for the time and detective skills you have put into this

On what factual basis have you discounted the Allanson/Baxter woman?

There's no reason, as far as I can see, necessarily to discount Marjorie Baxter/Allanson.

There is no way to tell if she is (or isn't) the woman who was living with a man named Norman E Baxter (who may or may not be Norman Edwin) per 1960 and 1963 ERs -
apart from getting a copy of her Will, to see if it contains any clues.

Your friend can buy a copy for £1.50, quoting the relevant info from the probate notice:
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills

Janet -
I posted the birth of Norman Edwin with father Harold, on 18th July at 01:55.

Copying it again here:

BAXTER, NORMAN EDWIN mmn BASTABLE
GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in PORTSMOUTH Volume 02B Page 746

The other Norman E Baxter births which I posted today were only to show that there are others of the same name who might be Margery Corrall's husband.
You need the 1967 marriage cert to be sure of who she married.
We don't know what her husband's middle name was.
The child born in 1919 (which you mentioned) had the middle name Ewart, as already posted..

Erika, I confused the date of death with one Marjory with the date of birth of the other, ie September with August, my mistake. We have already decided that the one with the Will is not ours.

ArgyllGran, Norman was stated as 25 in 1937, so most of the ones you listed must be too young to be the one I'm looking for. I think only the 1919 one could be a possibility, but then he'd only have been 18 in 1937. But I'll see if I can find any details, such as father's name, to see if he can be eliminated.

The record you posted at 16.07 has exactly the same DoB info as on the record posted by AG, so I’m puzzled by your comment at the end of the post

I would doubt very much that the Corrall woman is the one referred to in the Probate record.

As previously suggested, getting a copy of the Will would make eminent sense

Don’t take any notice of any potential age difference between Norman and any woman he lived with………if the Probate figures are accurate, she was quite well off.

Your friend needs the 1967 marriage cert to be sure.

There were other Norman E Baxters born in a reasonable time-frame - including one in Hampstead.
Any one of them could have been Margery Corrall's husband, for all we know.


Births Jun 1919 (>99%)
Baxter Norman E McKenzie Hartlepool 10a 168
[middle name Ewart ]


Births Dec 1932 (>99%)
Baxter Norman E Newman Southwark 1d 62 {middle name Eric]

Births Mar 1936 (>99%)
BAXTER Norman E Baxter Spalding 7a 516

Births Sep 1943 (>99%)
Baxter Norman E Grinnell Hampstead 1a 621

Births Mar 1947 (>99%)
Baxter Norman E Miller Uxbridge 5f 801

I think Margery Corrall is the more likely of the two, bearing in mind that Norman was born in 1912, I've been tracking the electoral registers for the two of them, and by the late 1940s they were less than 3 miles apart.

Probably posted before, but..............................

CORRALL, MARGERY FLORENCE REIGER
GRO Reference: 1914 S Quarter in ST. PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 195

Re the 1937 ER you found for Marjorie Florence Corrall:

Marjorie Florence Corrall
in the London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Name Marjorie Florence Corrall
Electoral Date 1937
Street Address 86 Gaisford Streeet
Ward or Division/Constituency St Pancras
County or Borough Camden, England

She's with Albert Augustus Corrall and Doris Albina Corrall.

Albert is probably her father, bur Doris is her sister, not her mother:

Doris A Corrall
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name Doris A Corrall [Doris A Dawson] [Doris A Horye]
Gender Female
Marital Status Single
Birth Date 15 Jul 1909
Residence Date 1939
Residence Place St Pancras, London, England
Occupation General Packer & Celing Lundry Work
Line Number 17
Schedule Number 139
Sub Schedule Number 2
Enumeration District Astt
Borough St Pancras
Registration district 9-3
Household Members (Name) Gender
Albert A Corrall Male - 20 May 1875, widowed
Doris A Corrall Female - 15 July 1909, single
This record is officially closed. [Presumably the closed record is Margery/Marjorie ]


CORRALL, DORIS ALBINA mmn REIGER
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in ST PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 90

Parents' marriage:

Marriages Mar 1898 (>99%)
Corrall Albert Augustus Pancras 1b 102
REIGER May Olive Pancras 1b 102

If Marjorie Baxter, also known as Allanson, who died in 1971, is the correct woman, she was born in 1904.

If Margery Florence Corrall is the correct one, she was born 1914 and died 1992.

We don't know which one (if either) was living with Norman in 1960.

The 1992 death cert would, hopefully , give you the husband's full name.
OR
The Will of Marjorie Baxter/Allanson might provide clues.

The 1967 marriage cert would give you the groom's full name.

The spelling on the electoral rolls was wrong, she was in fact Margery F Corrall. In 1937 she is in Camden with her parents, again recorded as Marjorie.

1939 for all Marjories with DoB 24/08/1904

Marjorie
Bardsley
1904
23 Raglan Street, Hyde
Hyde M.B.
Cheshire
England
Marjorie A
Bradshaw
1904
15 Stanhall Avenue, Pudsey
Pudsey M.B.
Yorkshire (West Riding)
England
Marjorie
Bryant
1904
20 Scotts Terrace, Burnley
Burnley C.B.
Lancashire
England
Marjorie F
Cullum
1904
26 Rise, Cleethorpes
Cleethorpes M.B.
Lincolnshire (Parts of Lindsey)
England
Marjorie G (Mary G)
Gaul (Saphir, Bramston)
1904
1 Wimbourne House, Sawbridgeworth
Sawbridgeworth U.D.
Hertfordshire
England
Marjorie E
John
1904
"belvedene" Golf Links Lane, Telford
Wellington U.D.
Shropshire
England
Marjorie L
Ratcliffe
1904
"windy Bridge" Manor Close, East Horsley
Guildford R.D.
Surrey
England
Marjorie L
Rowe
1904
19 Chard Road, Raymond's Hill
Axminster R.D.
Devon
England
Marjorie H
Shufflebotham
1904
Adderley Bungalow, Dilhorne
Cheadle R.D.
Staffordshire
England
Marjorie
Townsend
1904
644 Seven Sisters Road, Tottenham
Tottenham M.B.
Middlesex
England
Marjorie
Waring
1904
38 Brecks Lane, Rotherham
Rotherham C.B.
Yorkshire (West Riding)
England
Marjorie
Welton
1904
25 Bower Lane, Eaton Bray
Luton R.D.
Bedfordshire
England
Marg G (Marjorie G)
Gaul (Saphir,Bramston)
1904
1 Rowney Farm Estate, Sawbridgeworth
Sawbridgeworth U.D.
Hertfordshire
England
1

There is no recorded marriage for Norman E Baxter to anyone named Marjorie in England/Wales

Buying a copy of the woman's Will may prove informative************.

How strange, I found this :

Record details
Name Margery Florence Baxter
Death Age 78
Birth Date 8 Sep 1914
Registration Date Nov 1992
Registration district Camden
Inferred County Greater London
Volume 14
Page 1606

Different date of birth

If I've got the right death record for Marjorie Baxter (relating to the probate record you found) , it gives Marjorie's DOB as 24 August 1904.

Not the same person as Margery Corrall.


Margery Florence Baxter (nee Corrall), died in 1992 - DOB 8 Sept 1914:

Deaths 1992 (99%)
BAXTER MARGERY FLORENCE 8SE1914 CAMDEN 14 1606

I don't understand your last comments, sorry. The spelling of Marjorie/Margery is a reasonable mixup, and the marriage record I found was Margery F (for Florence), which is the same as you listed above, mmn Reiger. She was born 1914, so 2 years younger than Norman.

Yes, I've edited my post, expressing doubt re the Marjorie I suggested.


But even so, this is Margery Corrall's birth, so not the right person - quite apart from the spelling, and middle initial:

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
CORRALL Margery F Reiger Pancras 1b 195

Please see my previous post re Margery Corrall :)