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PM of thanks received from Carol, saying only "I'm sure this is my grandad."

I assume she means William who married Hannah Moriarty (whom I didn't find, and therefore don't deserve thanks for), or William who married Hannah Murphy (whom I suggested at first.)

Nudging in the hope that the poster will return

Hannah Moriarty is in one member's tree other than yours, Carol. If you haven't already contacted her - try doing so. It's your only hope of finding living relatives in Ireland
Ditto Patrick Joy 1918/1919

Ditto Norah Joy - a male GR member

3 people appear to have your father in GR trees - but you don't

EDWARD JOY is in your tree, I see..........not in any other
Ditto Patrick 1933, and Ellen

From familysearch

Hannah Joy
Principal
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
Birth July 1932
Listowel, County Kerry, Ireland
ParentsMoriarty

Ellen Joy
Principal
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
Birth January 1929
Listowel, County Kerry, Ireland
ParentsMoriarty

Edward Joy
Principal
Ireland Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958
Birth October 1930
Listowel, County Kerry, Ireland
ParentsMoriarty

Name PATRICK JOY
Date of Birth 28 December 1918
Group Registration ID 1678888
SR District/Reg Area Listowel
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname MORIARITY
Father William, Mother Hannah

Name NORAH JOY
Date of Birth 12 April 1920
Group Registration ID 1776811
SR District/Reg Area Listowel
Sex Female
Mother's Birth Surname MORIARTY
Father William, Mother Hannah

You can see these images at

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp

??????1911......age not 'right' compared with marriage cert, but she could have added a few years to appear nearer to William's age

Residents of a house 6 in Trengarriv (Caragh, Kerry)
Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Moriarty Mary 16 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Read and write Irish and English Not Married -
Moriarty Hannah 12 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Read only Irish and English Not Married -
Moriarty Julia 7 Female Daughter Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Cannot read Irish and English Not Married -
Moriarty Jeremiah 40 Male Head of Family Roman Catholic Co Kerry Farmer Cannot read Irish and English Married -
Moriarty Daniel 3 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Cannot read - Not Married -
Moriarty Michael 19 Male Son Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Cannot read Irish and English Not Married -
Moriarty Mary 38 Female Wife Roman Catholic Co Kerry - Cannot read Irish and English Married -

William JOY and Hanna MORIARTY married on 10th September 1918 at Glenbeigh in district of Caherciveen as per Irish BMD

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09723/5527934.pdf
His declared age 30
Her declared age 25

His father Patrick, Labourer
Her father Jeremiah, Farmer
Witnesses Dan and Minnie Moriarty

Name: Michael Joy
Birth Date: 1935
Birth Place: Ireland
Birth Registration Date: Sep 1935
Birth Registration Place: Listowel, Ireland
Mother: Moriarty
Volume: 5
Page: 313
FHL Film Number: 101233

From a tree - of sorts - on Ancestry, 'owned' by a relative on the poster's mother's side
Michael Joseph Joy
Father william joy
Mother hannah moriarty
Birth 22 Mar 1935 Kerry, Ireland
Death Jul 2005 England

You need to be working backwards, Carol, so that you know you have the correct line.

Where did you find the surname 'MORTUARY'?

Name KATE JOY
Date of Death 1905
Group Registration ID 4806932
SR District/Reg Area Killarney
Deceased Age at Death 84

From image - died 16.10.1905 at Bansha (sic)
Labourer's widow
Cause - natural decay of 3 months
Registered by som william, present at death

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie - Census 1901/1911 - free to use

Census Years1901
Kerry Killorglin Banshagh

Residents of a house 3 in Banshagh (Killorglin, Kerry)

Surname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Joy Kate 7 Female Daughter R Catholic Kerry - Cannot read - Not Married -
Joy Maggie 5 Female Daughter R Catholic Kerry - Cannot read - Not Married -
Joy William 40 Male Head of Family R Catholic Kerry Labourer Read Irish and English Married -
Joy Kate 80 Female Mother R Catholic Kerry No Occupation Cannot read Irish and English Widow -
Joy John 2 Male Son R Catholic Kerry - Cannot read - Not Married -
Joy Michl 9 Male Son R Catholic Kerry Scholar Read - Not Married -
Joy James 10 Male Son R Catholic Kerry Scholar Read - Not Married -
Joy Johanna 26 Female Wife R Catholic Kerry - Read and write Irish and English Married -

Children of William and Johanna - from the same site https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/

James 16.5.1890
Michael 20.6.1891
Catherine 2.12.1893
Mary 3.5.1895 ? died 22.11.1895 age 6 months - reg'd by Father William
Margaret 7.9.1896
John 9.4.1899
William 14.1.1902
Mary 16.8.1904

William son of william & Johanna is on 2 Ancestry trees ( one is a direct descendant of William & Johanna) from where I got this :

Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
View record
Record details
Name Willie Joy
Gender Male
Marital Status Single
Age 8
Birth Year 1903
Birth Place Co Kerry
Residence Date 2 Apr 1911
House Number 4
Townland/Street Banshagh
County Kerry
Country Ireland
Electoral District Killorglin
Literacy Read and write
Occupation Scholar
Religion Roman Catholic
Relationship Son
Household members
Name Age
William Joy 57
Johanna Joy 43
James Joy 23
Michael Joy 21
Kate Joy 15
John Joy 14
Maggie Joy 12
Willie Joy 8
Hannah Joy 4
Close

????

SR District/Reg Area - Killarney

Marriage of WILLIAM JOY and JOHANNA HURLEY
on 05 March 1889

Party 1 Name WILLIAM JOY
Party 2 Name JOHANNA HURLEY
Date of Event 05 March 1889
Group Registration ID 2502597
SR District/Reg Area Killarney

5 March 1889 at Killorglin.
William Joy, 29, bachelor, labourer, Bansha.
Father: James Joy, labourer.

Johanna Hurley, 20, spinster, labourer's daughter, Killorglin.
Father: John Hurley, labourer.

Witnesses: Patrick Reilly and Katie Reilly.

Hmmm - maybe I'm on the wrong track entirely.

Need more info from Carol.

William 1869 of Bansha, in the censuses, is single in 1911 - so not the father of William 1902 ??

Irish bmd records and some earlier records are available through https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
Site is free to use

the 1929 marriage certificate image is available at https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1929/09063/5278955.pdf

The 1889 marriage certificate below also available

Do you know all of the people who seem to have YOUR details in their GR trees?


Your parents?
Marriages Jun 1961 (>99%)
HULL Pauline A JOY Bradford 2b 218
JOY Michael J HULL Bradford 2b 218


JOY, MICHAEL JOSEPH 1935
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2005 in BRADFORD (0811B) Reg B70A Entry Number 106

EDIT
Birth of bride above (MMN Shooter) confirms it is the right couple

SR District/Reg Area - Killarney
Birth of WILLIAM JOY on 14 January 1902
Name WILLIAM JOY
Date of Birth 14 January 1902
Group Registration ID 7223383
SR District/Reg Area Killarney
Sex Male
Mother's Birth Surname HURLEY

Born at Bansha.
Father: William Joy, Bansha, labourer.
Mother: Johanna Joy, formerly Hurley


I don't see him in 1911.

The censuses, baptism and military record above must be for William's father.


Your William was born c1901:

SR District/Reg Area - Tralee

Death of William Joy in 1935
Name William Joy
Date of Death 1935
Group Registration ID 1660022
SR District/Reg Area Tralee
Deceased Age at Death 34

16 June 1935, at County Hospital, Tralee.
William Joy, from Grancha, Killorglin.
Married, labourer.
Pulmonary tuberculosis.