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CORRECTION -

At 11:20 I said that Margaret was in Dalkeith, Edinburgh in 1901.

My mistake - she was in Dalkeith, Orkney.

Spotted it myself, then Mike also PM'd:

"her father was primarily a farmer with shops, he had land on sanday stronsay and papa stronsay. The census say one thing other official documents ie deaths births another
The Dalkeith you refer to is in Orkney my grandfather lived there.
Generations of my own family built boats but they were primarily farmers "

Continuing on - though I'm sure Mike has all this -

John Wallace
in the 1861 Scotland Census
Name: John Wallace
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Cross, Orkney
Registration Number: 31
Registration district: Stronsay
Civil parish: Stronsay
County: Orkney
Address: No 11
Occupation: Ag Lab
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 22
Roll: CSSCT1861_4
Household Members Age Relationship
John Wallace 42 Head
Jane Wallace 52 Wife
Eliza Wallace 11 Daughter


John Wallace
in the 1871 Scotland Census
Name: John Wallace
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relationship: Head
Spouse's Name: Jane Wallace
Gender: Male
Where born: Cross, Orkney
Registration Number: 31
Registration district: Stronsay
Civil parish: Stronsay
County: Orkney
Address: 12 Village
Occupation: Grocer <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 15
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1871_6
Household Members Age Relationship
John Wallace 53 Head
Jane Wallace 55 Wife
Margaret Wallace 7 Grandaughter (Granddaughter)

The grand-daughter is the girl listed as step-daughter to Robert in 1881.


It does seem, though, that Robert (Barbara's father) , who was born in Edinburgh, changed occupation from shale miner to grocer when he moved to Orkney.
No doubt he had to - there's not much call for shale miners in Orkney.

Perhaps he took over from Barbara's father John, who was a grocer by 1871??

Robert and Margaret's marriage . Their daughter Elizabeth (in 1881 census) was born in West Calder:

28 January 1870 at 6 Tay Street, West Calder.
Robert Watt, shale miner, bachelor, 19.
Parents: Robert Watt, tailor, and Margaret Watt, ms Brown.

Margaret Wallace, domestic servant, spinster, 22.
Parents: John Wallace, spirit merchant, and Jane Wallace, ms Scott.



AHA!
Reason for the Garrioch name - it was Barbara's grandmother's surname.
Death of her father:

WALLACE
JOHN
81
mmn GARRIOCH
1899
031/ 8
Stronsay

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Tangbrae, Burness (Sanday), North Isles, Orkney, Scotland

John Wallace Head Married Male 32 1819 Ploughman ag lab Orkney, Scotland
Jean Wallace Wife Married Female 38 1813 - Orkney, Scotland
Jean Wallace Daughter - Female 9 1842 - Orkney, Scotland
Margaret Wallace Daughter - Female 6 1845 - Orkney, Scotland
Eliza Wallace Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Orkney, Scotland

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Backaskaill, Burness (Sanday), Orkney, Scotland

John Wallace Male 20 1821 Orkney, Scotland
Jean Wallace Female 25 1816 Orkney, Scotland
Barbara Wallace Female 1 1840 Orkney, Scotland

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Midgarth, Stronsay, Orkney, Scotland

James Scott Head Married Male 88 1763 Farmer of 40 acres & 100 heath emplg 5 servants Orkney, Scotland
Barbara Scott Wife Married Female 76 1775 Farmers wife Cross, Orkney, Scotland
William Scott Son Unmarried Male 35 1816 Farmers son Cross, Orkney, Scotland
Elizabeth Scott Daughter Unmarried Female 32 1819 Farmers daughter Cross, Orkney, Scotland
Betsy Wallace Grand child Unmarried Female 14 1837 House maid Cross, Orkney, Scotland
John Brodie Servant Unmarried Male 20 1831 Farm servant Orkney, Scotland
John Tarphens Servant Unmarried Male 11 1840 Cow herd Orkney, Scotland

??siblings

WALLACE
JOHN
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
M
28/02/1847
026/
30 73
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
BARBARA
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
06/09/1839
026/
30 55
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
BETSY
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
22/04/1837
026/
30 51
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
ELIZA
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
21/10/1849
026/
30 78
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
JEAN
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
15/02/1842
026/
30 61
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

WALLACE
MARGARET ANN
JOHN WALLACE/JEAN SCOTT
F
18/06/1844
026/
30 65
Sanday (Lady, Cross and Burness)

You say Barbara's father's occupation had changed.

In 1881 he's a grocer.
In 1891 he was a "grocer, baker and farmer".
In 1898 he was a grocer.
In 1901 he's not with Margaret, but Margaret (then living in Dalkeith, Edinburgh) is a "Grocer merchant's wife".


No change there, to my mind.

Robert seems to be in Stronsay in 1901, with son Robert, and listed as "farmer"
- but he was also a farmer in 1891, and in small crofting communities most people had (still have) more than one job.

Barbara's husband David has the same place and year of birth as the one who was lodging with her family.


Strangely, I don't see any record of Margaret's death - unless it's this one:

WATT [also listed as WALLACE ]
MARGARET JANE
83
mmn SCOTT
1928
031/ 9
Stronsay

but this is her probate:

Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace Watt
in the Scotland, National Probate Index (Calendar of Confirmations and Inventories), 1876-1936
Name: Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace Watt
Death Date: 13 May 1928
Death Place: Stronsay
Confirmation Date: 26 Jun 1928
Confirmation Place: Kirkwall, Scotland

WATT, Margaret Ann Rendall Wallace or [Watt], Eden Villa, Stronsay, Orkney, died 13 May 1928 at Stronsay, testate.
Confirmation Kirkwall, 26 June to Ann Livingstone Watt, Eden Villa aforesaid, Executrix.
Will dated 12 February 1919 ,recorded Kirkwall 25 June 1928.
Value of estate: £2127 : 2 : 1.


Ann Livingstone Watt is her daughter, born 1884 Sanday, and died unmarried, 1973 Aberdeen.

Thank you for your help.
The information I was given was wrong she ws not on the 1901 or 1911 census for sanday.
I managed to find a marriage certificate on line for Watt/Dearness She appears to have adopted a middle name, her mother has more middle names, her father has a different occupation and it is all suspect. I know a David Dearness worked as a servant for her father.
Her adopted middle name is an old orcadian family. I have contacted a member here about their family tree and hope to get some clarification

To put my own mind at rest, I've had a look at the marriage cert, and it IS the correct one:

21 September 1898, at 7 Laverockbank Terraced, Trinity, Leith.
David Dearness, cab driver, bachelor, 28.

David's address: 14 North Junction St, Leith.
Parents: David Dearness, crofter, and Jessie Dearness, ms Muir

Barbara G Watt, spinster, 21.

Barbara's address: 4 Admiralty Street, Leith.
Parents: Robert Watt, master grocer, and Margaret Ann Randall Watt, ms Wallace.



So the 1901 and 1911 censuses and 1955 death are the right ones, but probably not the ER .
Not sure about the burial - though it's the same year as the death, so could be OK.
There's no other death of a Barbara Dearness in Scotland in 1955.

That's what I thought, and so, looking at this again in the cold light of day, I now don't think that the 1950 ER which I posted last night is for the correct woman, and possibly not the burial either.


There was a Barbara Watt Dearness born in Edinburgh/Leith in 1917, who died in 1950, and is probably the woman on the 1950 ER.

Two of that name were born in 1928 (or maybe one registered in both Edinburgh and Leith) -
one or both of whom may be this woman:

MS Barbara W Dearness
in the UK, Electoral Registers, 2003-2010
Name: MS Barbara W Dearness
Birth Date: 1927-1929
Residence Date: 2005-2010
Address: 1/2, Pier Place, EH6 4LP
Residence Place: Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland


To make matters more confusing, there were Dearness families on Sanday in various censuses, and these deaths:

DEARNESS
BARBARA
66
1944
026/ 2
Sanday


DEARNESS
BARBARA
43
1919
026/ 8
Sanday


The 1898 marriage cert is needed, to see if it's the correct one or not - but the Dearness family in 1901 seems very feasible and David Dearness was lodging with Barbara Watt's family in 1891.

If the poster knew where she was in 1911, he must have known who she married :-S :-S

Death of son Oliver:

DEARNESS
OLIVER DREVER
68
mmn WATT
1975
738/ 68
George Square

His marriage:

DEERNESS
OLIVER DREVER
ADDISON
WILLIAMINA M F
1935
685/10 365
Leith South

1911 -

DEARNESS
BARBARA
1911
F
33
692/2 29/ 13
Leith South
Midlothian

She's with David 41, John 1, William 7, David 11, Oliver 4, and Robert 10.

Barbara Watt
in the 1891 Scotland Census
Name: Barbara Watt
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Robert Watt
Mother's Name: Margaret Watt
Gender: Female
Where born: Leith, Mid-Lothian
Registration Number: 26
Registration district: Sanday
Civil parish: Cross and Burness and North Ronaldsay
County: Orkney
Address: Dalkeith
Occupation: Grocers Assistant
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 17
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_5
Household Members Age Relationship
Robert Watt 39 Head
Margaret Watt 42 Wife
Jane S Watt 19 Daur (Daughter)
Barbara Watt 13 Daur (Daughter)
Ann Watt 6 Daur (Daughter)
David Dearness 21 Serv (Servant) <<<<<<<<<


Marriage ??:

WATT
BARBARA G
DEARNESS
DAVID
1898
692/1 128
Leith North



Barbara Dearness
in the 1901 Scotland Census
Name: Barbara Dearness
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's Name: David Dearness
Gender: Female
Where born: Leith, Edinburghshire
Registration Number: 685/2
Registration district: St Andrew
Civil parish: Edinburgh St Paul
County: Midlothian
Address: 5 Albert St
ED: 33
Household schedule number: 27
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1901_373
Household Members Age Relationship
David Dearness 31 Head
Barbara Dearness 24 Wife
David Dearness 1 Son
Robert Dearness 1 Mo Son
Mary Dearness 28 Visitor


Barbara W Dearness
in the Edinburgh, Scotland, Electoral Registers, 1832-1966
Name: Barbara W Dearness
Residence Year: 1950
Street Address: Springfield Street 14
Residence Place: Edinburgh, Scotland

[David not listed with her in 1950.]



Death:

DEARNESS
BARBARA G
78
1955
685/2 521
St Andrew (Edinburgh)

Death also listed under Watt:

WATT
BARBARA GARRIOC(H)
78
1955
685/2 521
St Andrew (Edinburgh)



Barbara Watt Dearness
in the Web: UK, Burial and Cremation Index, 1576-2014
Name: Barbara Watt Dearness
Register Type: Burial
Death Date: abt 1955
Burial or Cremation Date: 16 Sep 1955
Burial or Cremation Place: Edinburgh, Scotland


Don't know where the middle name Garrioch comes from.
The actual certs might explain .

No middle name at birth:

WATT
BARBARA
F
1877
692/2 545
Leith South

1881 for INFO
Lyland Cottage, Cross & Burness & North Ronaldshay, Sanday, Orkney, Scotland
Robert Watt Head Married Male 30 1851 Grocer Dalkeith, Midlothian, Scotland
Margaret Watt Wife Married Female 35 1846 Grocer's wife Cross, Orkney, Scotland
Margaret Wallace Step daughter Unmarried Female 16 1865 Dom servt Orkney, Scotland
Elizabeth Watt Daughter - Female 11 1870 Scholar West Calder, Midlothian, Scotland
Jane Watt Daughter - Female 9 1872 Scholar South Queensferry, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Robert Watt Son - Male 6 1875 Scholar Armadale, Linlithgowshire (West Lothian), Scotland
Barbara Watt Daughter - Female 3 1878 - Leith, Midlothian, Scotland

Mike

Please C&P 1911 census to which you refer

Any mention of her in the Orcadian? Probably available in the British Newspaper Archive.

Thank you for the helpful replies.

I have tried Scotlands People and the orkney site, no luck

I can only see her in Sanday in 1881 and 1891 on FMP

Perhaps you'd post later census transcriptions for info for the helpers