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Seems a lot of things to check, I will let you know if I find anything.

It seems interesting but i do not know this family, will have to check. The two children were taken on with different Dunham children but have checked them all and can find nothing, for 1921 or later. Kenneth went with Sidney Dunham and he came to Blackburn Lancashire where he met my mother, the family did not know about it, it was mentioned as a big secret, I only found out by hiring a genealogist in London who found the newspaper cutting for the suicide and his death certificate.At this time my mother had died so could not ask questions.

Lena
Gibbs
1881
Redhill, Surrey, England
Edmonton
Edmonton
Middlesex

Lena
Gibbs
1913
Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Edmonton
Edmonton
Middlesex

>>Florence
Adams
1881
Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Edmonton
Edmonton
Middlesex

Dora
Fra
1893
Bethnal Green, Middlesex, England
Edmonton
Edmonton
Middlesex

Frederick
Gibbs
1882
Peckham, Surrey, England
Edmonton
Edmonton
Middlesex


Frederick
Gibbs
1911
Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England
Edmonton
Edmonton
Middlesex

Martha
Lew
1899
Ponders End, Middlesex, England
Edmonton
Edmonton
Middlesex


As before, no idea if this is your Florence with this other household in 1921.


The Gibbs in 1911

1911 Census For England & Wales
57 -9 High St Cheshunt, Cheshunt, Hertfordshire, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Frederick Donaldson Gibbs Head
Married Male 29 1882 Licensed victualler Peckham London
Lena Gibbs Wife
Married Female 30 1881 Licensed trade Red Hill Surrey
William Cates Hussey Visitor
Married Male 40 1871 Licensed victualler Brompton Middlesex
Mabel Hussey Visitor
Married Female 33 1878 Licensed trade Red Hill Surrey

?????

Margery
Adams
1910
Highbury, London, England
Enfield
Edmonton
Middlesex

with Lily Adams 1896, Robert Alfred Rothwell 1881, Anita Rothwell 1889 , Margaret Anita Rothwell 1920, and Robert (haven't found his surname yet)

????? (EDIT: Oops, already posted)

Keneith
Adams
1913
Middlesex, England
South Mimms Urban
Barnet
Middlesex

with James Roberts 1855, Sarah Ann Roberts 1854 (nee Pugh), and Ellis Roberts Pugh 1909 (mmn Roberts)

James
Roberts
1855
Middlesex, England
South Mimms Urban
Barnet
Middlesex


Sarah Ann
Roberts
1854
Madeley, Shropshire, England
South Mimms Urban
Barnet
Middlesex


Ellis Roberts
Pugh
1909
New Barnet, Hertfordshire, England
South Mimms Urban
Barnet
Middlesex


Keneith
Adams
1913
Middlesex, England
South Mimms Urban
Barnet
Middlesex

Could this be Kenneth in 1921? Don't know if the family he's staying with is familiar to you.


1911 for the Roberts.

1911 Census For England & Wales
74 Union Street Barnet, South Mimms Urban, Hertfordshire, England

Household members (4 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Roberts Head
Married Male 55 1856 Carman for council South Mimms Middlesex
Sarah Ann Roberts Wife
Married Female 56 1855 - Madeley Shropshire
Walter Edwin Roberts Son
Single Male 23 1888 Photo material maker repairer and plates maker w Barnet Herts
Ellis Roberts Pugh Nephew
- Male 2 1909 - New Barnet Herts

Sidney, Maisie and Elsie have mmn Cole

Thomas C Dunham married Grace E Cole Q1 1911 Barnet RD

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Doc True
SHOOTING TRAGEDY AT FINCHLEY.
SHOOTING TRAGEDY AT FINCHLEY.
in witness’s opinion was undue anxiety with regard to business. Deceased came out of Napsbury Asylum in January. Miss Florence Dunham said she resided 117, Frobisher-road, Hornsey, and deceased had lived there for the past three months. Witness had known
30 April 1915 - Hendon & Finchley Times - London, London, England


Source
Name: Florry Dunham
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Jul 1879-------born 22nd June 1879.
Baptism Place: St Ann, Tottenham, Haringey, England
Father:
James Dunham
Mother:
Eliza Dunham
Register Type: Parish Register

The people with Eliza in 1921 are:

Ethel 1894, Sidney 1911, Thomas 1888 (called Charles in 1901 census), James 1852, Maisie 1920 , Elsie 1912.

All with surname Dunham.



DUNHAM, THOMAS CHARLES mmn BRICE
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 361

Could have a gaggle of grandchildren with her or in laws ;-)

Florence could be living with someone else by 1921 if William had died in which case Florence and the children could be shown under his surname.

If listed with initials only, this is the only one which might fit:

F
D
1879
Not Known
Ilford
Romford
Essex


But still, Marjorie and Kenneth should be somewhere.

Looking at Greyghost's post above re possible 1921 for Eliza Dunham -

By 1901 Florrie had siblings Albert E 20, James 18, Gilbert 16, Elsie 14, Violet 13, Charles 12, Sidney 11, Edgar 5, and Doris 2.

No sign of a Thomas or Ethel, even after 1901.

Just wondering, if she died young- ish, whether she might have been in hospital or an institution and recorded only under initials, if they still did that on 1921 census.

Both Marjorie and Kenneth's births were registered as Adams with mmn Dunham

She was born as Flora, and known as Florrie, at least when she's with her parents..

Florry Dunham
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Florry Dunham
[Florence Dunham]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: James Dunham
Mother: Eliza Dunham
Gender: Female
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Tottenham
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street Address: St Anns Rd 2 South Grove
Education:
Employment status:
View image
Registration District: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors:
Piece: 1385
Folio: 18
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
James Dunham 29
Eliza Dunham 25
Florry Dunham 1 - daughter
Albert E. Dunham - son
Esther Brice 18 - visitor


DUNHAM, ALBERT EDWARD mmn BRICE
GRO Reference: 1880 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 273

DUNHAM, FLORA mmn BRICE
GRO Reference: 1879 S Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03A Page 240


She's Florrie/Florry in 1881, 1891, and 1901.

I didn't say they got married, just reporting the census result.

1921 search result - could Florence be with her Mother. A search gives Eliza Dunham in Finchley plus 2 first names only and 4 "others" at the same address

First name(s) Last name Birth year Birth place Parish Registration district County
Eliza Dunham 1855 Northampton, Northamptonshire, England Finchley Barnet Middlesex

1921 Census Of England & Wales transcript

Eliza, Thomas, Ethel and 4 others are on this record

You can check FMP yourself and pay to see the full results (as would FMP members)

They did not get married, just checked again in case, he was already married.William Adams committed suicide in 1915Thanks for the help

For our information -

Is this the family 1911 - original says married 6 years, 1 child born and still alive -

1911 Census For England & Wales
Braemar High Road Potters Bar, South Mimms, Hertfordshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Adams Head Married Male 55 1856 Retired company manager motor job master Paddinton London
Florence Adams Wife Married Female 31 1880 - Tottenham
Theresa Dunham Visitor Married Female 27 1884 - London
Marjorie May Adams Daughter - Female 0 1911 - Hornsey

Yes I knew that but I have checked for Adams and Dunham on the 1921 census and it shows a Marjorie May Adams on the 1911 census

In 1911, Florence was calling herself ‘Adams’

Yes I tried the address but not individual houses, children were Marjorie May Adams 1910 and Kenneth Adams born 1913 Florence never got married. She was born in Tottenham

Hope this helps. Sheila