Genealogy Chat

Thank you for your suggestion Janice.

I have searched names on the electoral lists on this GR site and have now handed findings to my daughter's friend's family, who have the biological link.
They will now take up the search............

Have you tried putting all their names into 192.com?

Thank you for your reply.

You make perfect sense and your results are more logical geographically too..

.......... I'll keep searching !

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Sadly, I don't think the woman you've spotted is the right one.
Just someone who married a man of that surname.

Thank you for working so late on this ArgyllGran !

I think you have found the correct birth for the man.
His parents' marriage is on freebmd, but much earlier than one might expect. It fits with grandparents' names remembered by the family.

I realise we need names in order to make any headway in looking into a possible adoption.
Some more possibly useful information has come to light in an e mail opened early today.
I can't post on an open site, so will PM something for consideration concerning a 'same surname' person living in the same area as the woman in 2002.

There are online funeral notices for the man who died in Wales - but unhelpfully, they don't mention the names of any family members.

You said his family "lost touch".
It's maybe possible that the funeral directors would pass on a letter from you to whoever they were dealing with in arranging the funeral - possibly a relative?
I'm not sure what you could say, though! You could hardly ask the possible relative if the man had adopted a daughter.

If you mean that the supposed adopted daughter may have been the child of the 1974 bride, that would be difficult or impossible to find, as her surname is a very common one.

It there's any such child, she wasn't registered in Dover, which could have been helpful.
There are lots of girls registered in other places prior to 1974, with the 1974 bride's surname as both the child's surname and the mother's surname.

But this doesn't necessarily mean they were illegitimate.

Also, it's often thought that a birth reg with the letter "s" after it means that the child was later adopted.
It can do, but not always.
The "s" only means "superseded", so it just means that the original birth reg has been changed or corrected in some way - not necessarily because of adoption.

For example, looking only at Kent, there's one such female birth with the 1974 bride's surname in Lewisham in 1970 and then superseded in 1971 - but no way to know the reason for the change without buying certs.
And in any case, there's absolutely no reason to think that that child might be the possible daughter.


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/birth_register_record_adoption
https://deedpolloffice.com/change-name/law/birth-certificates#adoptions
https://www.gov.uk/research-family-history

Re a family tree -

he himself is not on anyone's tree on GR, nor on Ancestry.

He was probably born 1944, but I don't see his parents' marriage. Perhaps his mother had been married before.

If he hasn't named himself on a public online tree, then he won't have listed any children either.

He doesn't appear to have had a previous marriage, so if he did have an earlier daughter, she must have been born illegitimately.

Whether registered under the father's surname, or the mother's, we have no hope of finding that child's birth, as we don't know the mother's surname.

Info re adoption records:

https://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/tutorials/adoption/

but you'd have to know the child's name, DOB, and year of adoption.

The family are grateful for information found.... Thank you.
A family member thinks there may have been a daughter brought to the marriage, so probably a step-daughter of the groom of 1974 marriage.
She possibly lives in France ???
(piecing together thoughts from man's neighbours)

Is there an adoption register that we can check to see whether he did in fact adopt a child?
I seem to remember that a friend of mine was able to access brief information on a register in London?
No details were shown and only that a child ( surname) was adopted in a certain year.
No mention of adoptive parents or biological name.


ALSO
It is thought that the deceased man had researched his family tree back quite a way.
Where can we look to see if he has posted that online anywhere?
Is it a case of going back a few generations to look for generations of family links not affected by privacy issues.?

Any help to aid the family would be most welcome.

I agree..........

Have passed our thoughts and findings to my contact, so the next move will be up to her.

With the information from the marriage cert. , I might be able to do some local searching..............

Thank you all for your help.

I agree that the boys are the children of the "other" couple.

If he did, she wasn’t legitimate

If I search the man from 1971 marriage in ERs, he is shown, in Kent with his wife and probable son,which was one of the names listed with correct combination of surnames in freebmd birth index.
The other 'son' bears his probable father's name as a middle name, so I think these 2 now men are from the 1971 marriage and NOT the 1974 one.

EDIT
Crossed posts there.
Erika, I'm thinking along the same lines, but have kept looking, because someone in the contact's extended family thought that E might have had a daughter.

The 2002 address was last sold in 2017, but could have changed hands any nuimber of times

The ‘other’ groom is on ER to 2012….alone, but with wife and younger son in 2002

It certainly looks as though there were no legitimate children for the couple you’re researching

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As previously advised - buy birth certs

PMs sent to ArgyllGran and Erika

ArgyllGran
I will PM you too.

I've been trying to look up references you've both posted and getting myself confused too !

Obviously a lot of living together pre-marriage in Kent in those days ;-) ;-) ;-)

I'm confused now!

ErikaH said, " Groom’s surname beginning with. M - bride’s with G"

Which marriage are we talking about?

I have assumed that the 1974 groom's name began with B and the bride's with either B or M.

If that's the correct couple, then there don't seem to be any children of that marriage.

I don't see a 1971 marriage with the same surname combination.