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I know this doesn't make sense, but given the DOB and location . . . . . .

Beatrice Winifred Bishop
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Beatrice Winifred Bishop [Beatrice Winifred Lara]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 25 Aug 1924
Residence Date: 1939
Residence Place: Ilford, Essex, England
Occupation: Seeking Work Not ??eu??er ??th??
Line Number: 4
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: Ccvb
Borough: Ilford
Registration district: 191/2
Household Members Age
Beatrice Winifred Bishop 15
This record is officially closed.

Also in that household, but not transcribed on Ancestry:

Charles A G Ward , 14 May 1902 (or 1892 ?), and Beatrice M Ward, 31 March 1906.

There are margin notes with dates in 1944 and 1959.

Sister??
WARD, DOROTHY LILIAN HISCOCK
GRO Reference: 1925 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 418

Perhaps the mother was a widow when she married - it wasn't long after WW1

Can't see a Ward/Hiscock marriage so far.

Her birth cert will give you more detail.


ADDED: NOT the family below. The two closed records in 1939 are accounted for by two more children:

???
Elizabeth L Hiscock
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Elizabeth L Hiscock
Registration Date: Apr 1923[May 1923] [Jun 1923]
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Registration District: Christchurch
Inferred County: Hampshire
Spouse: Charles W Wort
Volume Number: 2b
Page Number: 1445


Elizabeth Louisa Wort
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Elizabeth Louisa Wort
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 11 Mar 1902
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 18
Residence Place: Christchurch, Hampshire, England
Occupation: Domestic Duties
Line Number: 39
Schedule Number: 50
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: Edfh
Borough: Christchurch
Inferred Spouse:
Charles William Wort
Inferred Children:
William Henry Wort
Household Members Age
Charles William Wort 39
Elizabeth Louisa Wort 37
William Henry Wort 15
This record is officially closed.
This record is officially closed.
George Henry 70

Beatrice’s birth is easily found on freebmd, which you can access yourself

A tree on Ancestry claims that she was born in West Ham in 1924, and her mother's surname was Hiscock.

Oh yes, here it is - didn't spot it before:

WARD, BEATRICE WINIFRED ALICE mmn HISCOCK
GRO Reference: 1924 D Quarter in WEST HAM Volume 04A Page 395

There are TWO Bishop/Ward births in Ilford on freebmd

You’ll have to look for them yourself as they are too recent to post on here

I don't see any birth, or previous marriage, for a Beatrice Winifred A, with any surname, born 1923-25 in England/Wales or Scotland.

You really need the 1944 marriage cert for further info.

Death gives Beatrice’s DoB as 25 Aug 1924

Divorce records are not online

Thanks all, the two definite S I know is she married George in 1944 and my uncle in 1961, I’m assuming they divorced but can’t find any records

The George who married in 1961 (posted above) was at an Essex address at least until the 2011 Electoral Roll, along with his wife (whose first name is mis-spelled on the marriage record transcript) until at least 2007 .

The house was last sold in 2002.

His wife from the 1961 marriage was born 1925, and it was her second marriage, too.


This is her death:

BISHOP, LILIAN GEORGINA 1925
GRO Reference: DOR Q4/2007 in COLCHESTER (4691C) Reg 1C002 Entry Number 500482743

Possible birth for George.?


George T Bishop
Registration Date: Jul 1925
[Aug 1925]
[Sep 1925]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Mother's Maiden Name: Gibson
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 949.

but a sure way to be sure would be George and Beatrice marriage certificate to get his father name then work towards his parents marriage,


They possibly could have had two children,,,..

The marriage record, for location:

George T Bishop
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: George T Bishop
Registration Date: Oct 1944[Nov 1944] [Dec 1944]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Ilford
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Beatrice W A Ward
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 928


Did they divorce?
Ancestry suggests this is a later marriage for George:

George T Bishop
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: George T Bishop
Registration Date: Jan 1961[Feb 1961] [Mar 1961]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Ilford
Inferred County: Essex
Spouse: Eilian G Hellen
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 772


And also suggests that this is his birth:

George T Bishop
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Birth Index, 1916-2007
Name: George T Bishop
Registration Date: Jul 1925[Aug 1925] [Sep 1925]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Mother's Maiden Name: Gibson
Volume Number: 4a
Page Number: 949

BISHOP, GEORGE THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1925 S Quarter in ROMFORD Volume 04A Page 949



The 1944 marriage cert will tell you his age and father's name .
It will also tell you Beatrice's age and father's name, to confirm if she's the right Beatrice or not.


Possibly his death??

BISHOP, GEORGE THOMAS 1925
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/2013 in ESSEX (463-1M) Entry Number 507928897

I’m looking for info on my uncles wife Beatrice Winifred Ward born 1924, I think she married a George T Bishop in 1944 I cannot find a birth or death for him or if they had children
She married my uncle in 1961
Appreciate any help
Maria