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Details so far. Leonard was born in Wandsworth in c1908 and died 1988. Eric died 1977 Hillingdon Gtr London but I don't have a birth date for him. The brothers both married twice, I know who the two ladies were who married Leonard and have found vague details of Eric's wives (Hilda Maude Voak, they married 1940 apparently had one child, and later he married Patricia L Gibbons 1951 and I believe she died 1982, not sure if there were children.
As I'm a new member on this site I'm still finding my way around. Can anyone tell me the name of the child or children of either brothers and their wives please. Thank you for reading this, Doreima.

Go to this free to use site.

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

If you look up Clack births, with mother surname Voak, you will find two births, one in 1942, and the other in 1945.

Searching for Clack births, with mother's maiden name Gibbons, shows two births in Surrey, in 1954 and 1956.

Try it, and see how you get on.

You can then do the same for Leonard and his wives.

To find Eric's birth record, use that site too.

Just enter his name in a birth search, and his birth registration is the only one that comes up.
You'll see he was born in 1908.

Leonard was born in 1906 - also easily found on FreeBMD.

Patricia did not die in 1982 - at least not in Scotland, England or Wales.

Looking at the Electoral Rolls (under "Search" at top right of this page) it appears she may have been still living, in Woking in 2020.

The house has not been sold since then, so she (or one of her children) may still be there.

Eric death detail

Name: Eric Leslie Clack
Death Age: 69
Birth Date: 29 Apr 1908
Registration Date: Oct 1977
[Nov 1977]
[Dec 1977]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Hillingdon
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 1012

1911 for the family. The children have all been dittoed under their parents married status.

1911 Census For England & Wales
48 Bucharest Road Wandsworth S W, Wandsworth, London & Surrey, England

Household members (9 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Joseph Clack Head
Married Male 35 1876 Milk carrier Shirbury Paris Oxfordshire
Edith Mable Clack Wife
Married Female 30 1881 - Haine Nr Ramsgate Kent
Leonard Norman Clack Son
Married Male 4 1907 - Battersea London
Eric Leslie Clack Son
Married Male 3 1908 - Battersea London
John Newport Clack Son
Married Male 12 1899 School Brixton London
Kenneth Ormond Dance Boarder
Single Male 18 1893 Sorter china glass stores Brixton London
Rosalie Ellen Dance Boarder
Single Female 20 1891 Shop assistant Brixton London
Babert Joseph Hinton Visitor
Single Male 33 1878 Gas fitter Battersea London
Jane White Visitor
Single Female 36 1875 Nurse Soho London


EDIT John Newport Clack is just John Newport so Edith's son before her marriage.

Eric was still single in 1939 living with Leonard and possibly their dad

Rattle Gardens Rattle Road, Westham, Hailsham R.D., Sussex, England

Joseph Clack 15 Sep 1876 Male Market Gardener Own Account Widowed 217 1
Leonard N Clack 18 Aug 1906 Male Market Gardener Own Account Single 217 2
Eric L Clack 29 Apr 1908 Male Market Gardener Own Account Single 217 3



Death

Name: Leonard Norman Clack
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 18 Aug 1906
Registration Date: Sep 1988
Registration District: Kingston Upon Thames
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 13
Page: 1811


Name: Joseph Clack
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Jan 1954
[Feb 1954]
[Mar 1954]
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Hailsham
Inferred County: Sussex
Volume: 5h
Page: 316

Name: Eric L Clack
Registration Date: Jul 1940
[Aug 1940]
[Sep 1940]
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Registration District: Camberwell
Inferred County: London
Spouse: Hilda M Voak
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 2259

Patricia seems to have been born in1925

The ER entry I mentioned earlier is for a woman born 1924-26, per ER on Ancestry, so seems correct.

Ancestry also has an ER for someone of the same name and address, but born 1987-89 in their transcription, but that is a mistake.
The years of residence are given as 2003, 2006-2007, which fit in with the years of residence of the correct entry: 2004-2005, 2008-2010.

On ER on GR she's listed at that address up to 2020.

Just to add that the address to 2020 that Argyllgran found for Patricia was correct. She and Eric were living at that address with a female surnamed Gibbons, in the late 1950s on earlier Surrey ERs on Ancestry.

In response to a PM of thanks from Doreima, I've PMd the address, with the usual advice about treading carefully, in view of Patricia's age, and as we don't know Doreima's connection to the family.

There's also a phone number in the BT online phonebook.

It's possible that Patricia has died or moved since 2020, but if so, as the house hasn't been sold, presumably a relative or solicitor is dealing with things and would respond to a letter.

New thread started :
https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/living_relatives/thread/1399731

Advice given to remain on this one, where the research has been done.

As already said, Patricia and Eric had two children, 1954 and 1956 Surrey.

There are two feasible marriages for people of the same name as the 1954 child , and several ER entries - but none in Surrey, so it's impossible to guess which one, if any, might be that child.

The 1956 child probably married a Harris in Surrey in 1979.
(Again, look on FreeBMD)
According to the ER on GR (under "Search" at top right of this page) that couple were living in the Birmingham area at least until 2018.
The house has not been sold since then (per Zoopla - Google the house address when you've found it on the ER), so if they're the owners and not tenants they're probably still there. Even if they're tenants they may still be there.
Again, try writing tactfully to them at that address.


EDIT:

PM from Doreima, to say that she has written to the Woking address.

PM of thanks from Doreima today.

The Woking address is correct and she has found a living relative.

She says she'll post on the "Success" board.