Genealogy Chat

Well, pardon me! I don’t have intimate knowledge of the area. It was only a suggestion!

I’ll leave you to your searches

You need to appreciate that not all records are online

There are too many unknowns to permit a definite answer.

IF William and Elizabeth are her parents, and IF she was born c1878, then she must have been born illegitimately and they married later and had her baptised around that time.

OR she lied about her age, or wasn't sure when she was born.

OR she wasn't William and/or Elizabeth's child, and either wasn't baptised or the record hasn't survived.

OR her parents were named William and Elizabeth, but were another couple whose marriage record hasn't survived.

We just don't know

Audley??? That is miles away from Staffordshire Moorlands
Her date of birth is as stated on the census return but as yet I have only found a baptism in 1783, if I find an earlier one then I would have to re-examine the records for her parents.

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Name: Sarah Chadwick
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Apr 1777
Baptism Place: Audley, St James the Great, Staffordshire, England
Religion: Anglican
Father: Jeremiah Chadwick
Mother: Sarah Chadwick
Page number: 219

SMITH, SARAH 77
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in LEEK Volume 06B Page 151

Surely if she was born 1777/8 her parents would have married before 1782? Unless she was illegitimate, of course


SMITH, MOSES 78
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in LEEK Volume 17 Page 54

Unless my research to date is completely wrong, that is unlikely as she would have been born at roughly the same time as Sarah Chadwick who I believe is Mary Chadwick’s mother.

Presumably this death?

CHADWICK, MARY 55
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in LEEK UNION Volume 17 Page 46


Mary Chadwick
in the Staffordshire, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1900
Name: Mary Chadwick
Death Age: 55
Birth Date: 1784
Death Date: 1839
Burial Date: 15 Mar 1839
Burial Place: Wetton, St Margaret, Staffordshire, England
Religion: Anglican
Page number: 34

I tried the familysearch. website. I checked the 1809 Baptism record of Mary Chadwick.. The information on that website is wrong, it lists her father as James Chadwick. The Parish record on FMP states that she is illegitimate and her reputed father is James Newbold. Does not inspire much confidence in the familysearch information!

Thanks. The June 1782 looks the more promising being 10 months before Sarah's baptism in March 1783. I have also found a Death record of a Mary Chadwick in 1839, who may be the mother of by great-grandfather born in 1834 and explain why he was living with his uncle in 1841.

I will try the familysearch website.

The marriages I posted are on Family Search - and so is the 1783 baptism:

www.familysearch.org

It's free to use, though you have to register.

BUT be careful to search "Records" and NOT "Genealogies" or "Family Tree".

"Records" are factual documents. The others are just whatever people have put in their trees - often complete rubbish.

FMP collect their info from church records - the one you took to be Sarah’s does not have the image, so you’d need to go to the County Records Office to see it.

Ditto the marriage

However, neither is likely to have much more info than has been transcribed.

Thanks. I have not tried church records as yet. Are these available on FMP.

As I pointed out, ages in 1841 were routinely ‘rounded down’, which would make her anything from 60 to 64

Baptism in later childhood wasn't at all uncommon - but as ErikaH says, there's no proof she's the same person.

Nor can you rely on any of the dates given so far.
Although 1851 does give her YOB as c1778, the 1841 census says c1781.


Possible William/Elizabeth marriages:

England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944
Name Elizabeth Royce <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Residence Place Wetton, St Margaret
Spouse's Name William Chadwick
Spouse's Residence Place Wetton, St Margaret
Marriage Date 26 Oct 1782
Marriage Place Wetton, Staffordshire, England
Marriage Place (Original) Wetton, St Margaret, Staffordshire, England



England, Staffordshire, Church Records, 1538-1944
Name William Chadwick
Age 21
Residence Place Wetton, Stafford
Birth Date 1761
Marital Status Unknown
Occupation Carpenter
Spouse's Name Elizabeth Haywood <<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse's Age 19
Spouse's Residence Place Wetton, Stafford
Spouse's Birth Date 1763
Spouse's Marital Status Unknown
Marriage Date 13 Jun 1782
Marriage License Date 1782
Marriage License Place Wetton, Staffordshire, England
Event Type Marriage License
Affiliate Film Number GBPRS/STAFF/MARRLICENCE/120574/1

I posted 1841 earlier, and her age is 60................which would have been rounded down as per the instructions given to enumerators.

Unless she was baptised as 5 year old, the baptism isn't this person.

You need more proof before assuming that her parents were William and Elizabeth

Thanks for clarifying the listed information, much appreciated. I did check the marriage status of Sarah Chadwich and she did marry Moses Smith, late in life it appears.
I suspect my great-grandfather George and his brother are living with their uncle because their mother has died. I have yet to confirm that. I have not yet found any marriage record for his uncle despite a wide date and geographical search.

My plan is to find the date of the marriage of Sarah Chadwick’s parents in the 18th century. My searches overall show that the family were farmers of some kind and seem to be located generally in the Staffordshire Moorlands area. I hope this enable my searches to be reasonably localised. Clearly, as has been suggested, there are a number of William/Eliza or Elizabeth marriages in the area this will muddy the search.

1. She was not necessarily baptised in the same year as she was born.

2. Alstonefield and Wetton are only about 1.5 miles apart. There's no reason why she couldn't have been born in one place and baptised in the other.

3. Perhaps the enumerator in 1851 assumed her name would be Chadwick because she was James Chadwick's mother.

No offence Peter - merely explaining why I didn't post the info.

It's always better if you find it yourself..............much more rewarding than having it handed to you 'on a plate'

I am, however, posting again for INFO the 1851 which you say is your relative


James Chadwick Head Married Male 36 1815 Farmer & cordwainer emplg 2 men Wetton, Staffordshire, England
Elizabeth Chadwick Wife Married Female 32 1819 - Grindon, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Chadwick Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar Butterton, Staffordshire, England
Sarah Chadwick Mother Widow Female 73 1778 - Staffordshire, England
James Chadwick Nephew Unmarried Male 21 1830 Journeyman cordwainer Wetton, Staffordshire, England
George Chadwick Nephew Unmarried Male 16 1835 Ag servent Wetton, Staffordshire, England
Sampson Malbon Lodger Unmarried Male 39 1812 Landed proprietor Elkstone, Staffordshire, England

The enumerator would assume that her name was Chadwick if he'd been told by the head of the household that she was his mother.....................

When and where did she marry? And to whom?

To clarify the data I have. In the Census data I have for my great-great-great grandmother there are the following issues :

1. She is listed as born in 1778, but that is a difference of 5 years from the apparent baptism I found.
2. She is listed as born in Alstonefields, Staffordshire, but I have found no baptism listed in that place, only Wetton.
3. In 1851 she is listed as Chadwick and a widow but in 1841 as Smith and married. I assume it was not unusual at that time for a widow to revert to her maiden name.

ErikaH

It is not a case of not asking for help. I was seeking help on how to expand my search in the 18th century for family members, given that I had limited information for that period. If I offended you in any way, I apologise, but I assumed that you would appreciate that to reach the 18th century information I had I must have obtained all the subsequent information to guide my search.