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Additional detail after 12th much appreciated. The two website details recorded and noted.

Marriages Dec 1950 (>99%)
James Harold D Stoddart Surrey S.E. 5g 1289
Stoddart Margaret James Surrey S.E. 5g 1289

No obvious children



James
Margaret
24/07/1924
2011
England & Wales Deaths 2007-2020
Crawley, Sussex, England

There were no other Rice/Stoddart births on freebmd. You can easily check that yourself by looking at the site. Unlike Scotland, MMN is recorded on births in England/Wales. (After 1911 on freebmd - on all births up to 1922-ish on GRO site)

R D = Rural District

Make a note of the following websites

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

ErikaH.
The additional detail re Stoddart girls and Colin Rice is great. It is very much appreciated. Can I ask re your info about Malcolm Rice dying in 1962 -how did you know he was an only child? Is that fact recorded at registration? I am a member at Scotlands People - its my southern research that causes me most issues lol. Also what does the RD mean at the Godstone address you gave re Rice family?

1911 census...NO Elizabeth

BUCHANAN
ALEXANDER
1911
M
0
836/ 3/ 4
Kirkmichael
Dumfries

BUCHANAN
JAMES
1911
M
43
836/ 3/ 4
Kirkmichael
Dumfries

BUCHANAN
MARY
1911
F
37
836/ 3/ 4
Kirkmichael
Dumfries

EDITED

Parents probably married in 1909, so not Elizabeth's family

Marriages Dec 1928 (>99%)
Grant Daisy V Rice Reigate 2a 552
RICE Alfred V Grant Reigate 2a 552


1939 Register
Murgins Cottage, Copthorne Bank, Keeper's Corner, Godstone R.D., Surrey, England
Alfred V Rice 01 Sep 1903 Male Gardener Married 89 1
Daisy V Rice 25 Feb 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 89 2
Reginald V Rice 20 May 1929 Male At School Single 89 3
The record for this person is officially closed
The record for this person is officially closed.

One of the closed records is obviously Colin

Deaths Jun 1973 (>99%)
STODDART ELIZABETH CRAIG 17JE1898 SURREY S.E. 5G 1001

BUCHANAN
ELIZABETH CRAIG
F
1898
836/ 12
Kirkmichael (Dumfries)

Sign up to Scotland's people website and buy credits in order to view the cert
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-our-records

That is the ONLY way to get the info online

POSSIBLE sibling...based solely on location of registration

BUCHANAN
ALEXANDER
M
1910
836/ 20
Kirkmichael (Dumfries)

STODDART
GRACE
F
1926
830/ 6
Holywood

STODDART
MARGARET
F
1924
830/ 16
Holywood

Parents'marriage
STODDART
THOMAS
BUCHANAN
ELIZABETH CRAIG
1923
834/ 21
Kirkconnel

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Name: Mr Colin Pennells Rice
Gender: Male
Age: 75
Birth Date: 1933
Last Residence: Hailsham, East Sussex, England
Postal Code District: Bn27
Death Date: 16 Nov 2008

RICE, COLIN PENNILLS
GRO Reference: 1933 S Quarter in REIGATE Volume 02A Page 344

Name: Colin P Rice
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep 1933
Registration District: Reigate
Inferred County: Surrey
Mother's Maiden Name: Grant
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 344


Name: Grace Rice
Death Date: 14 Dec 1982
Death Place: Horley Sy
Probate Date: 24 Jan 1983
Probate Registry: Brighton

Deaths Dec 1982 (>99%)
RICE GRACE 5MY1926 LAMBETH 14 250

1939
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Thomas Stoddart 07 Jan 1892 Male Estate Gardener Married 106 1
Elizabeth (C) Stoddart 17 Jun 1898 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 106 2
Margaret James (Stoddart) 24 Jul 1924 Female Domestic Help Single 106 3
Grace Rice (Stoddart) 05 May 1926 Female At School Single 106 4

Do you want help with your research?

Thanks to all who provided info. From that info he appears to be a differnet man,
ErikaH seems to have hit nail on head. My Malcolm seems to be the one who was born and died as infant in south east surrey in 1962. Back to the drawing board. The other points made are noted.

That’s obviously the man in Kettering, but he isn’t the son of Rice and Stoddart

His wife

Name: MS Jean Ivy Rice
Birth Date: 1927-1929
Residence Date: 2003-2006, 2008-2009
Address: 37, Leicester Close, NN16 8EZ
Residence Place: Kettering, Northamptonshire, England

Jean I Oborn born 1927

Death

Title Mrs
Geo direction East England
First name(s) Jean Ivy
Postcode area CO
Last name Rice
Postcode district CO15
Sex Female
Postcode sector CO15 1
Age 88
County Essex
Birth year 1927
Country England
Birth date 19 Jun 1927
Record set England & Wales Deaths 2007-2020
Death year 2016
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Death date 13 Aug 2016
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Residence Clacton-On-Sea
Collections from England, Great Britain, Wales
Area Colchester

Is this a possibility?

Name: Malcolm George Rice
Death Age: 63
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1932
Registration Date: Jul 1995
Registration District: Kettering
Inferred County: Northamptonshire
Register Number: B47D
District and Subdistrict: 6691B
Entry Number: 259

Births Mar 1932
Rice Malcolm G Slater Southampton 2c 97



Malcolm G Rice
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Malcolm G Rice
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1932
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 28
Residence Place: Wallasey, Cheshire, England
Occupation: At School
Line Number: 28
Schedule Number: 157
Sub Schedule Number: 3
Enumeration District: LDDM
Borough: Wallasey
Registration district: Wallasey 452 A/1
Inferred Father:
George H Rice
Inferred Mother:
Blanche J Rice
Household Members Age
George H Rice
35
Blanche J Rice
34
Malcolm G Rice 7
Samuel B Slater
66
Kate Slater
65
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If your connection is with the parents of the child born in 1962, the man about whom you have posted so much info is not in any way relevant

The Electoral Rolls do indeed show a Malcolm George Rice at the address you give, aged 65+ according to the ER on GR.

But I think he was there before 2002. If in 2002 or later, the record would give specific years when he lived there - but it doesn't.
"Age 65+" is pretty vague - there's no way of knowing when that man was born.

But he's clearly not the one born in 1962.

The house was sold in 2021, and before that in 2014.

Malcolm G Rice born 1962 DIED 1962

He seems to have been an only child

Unless he is a member of GR, you won’t be able to contact him through this site

Have you checked?

Please remove the address - not allowed on the boards

Have you checked whether it has been sold recently?

Have you considered writing a letter?

Trying to contact a Malcolm George Rice born Surrey 1962 and child of Colin P Rice and Grace Stoddart. He seems to have been a director of a company based in Kettering in 1990's. Until recently he may have been resident at Kettering. Unable to find any phone number or other contact possibility. He and my late wife share genealogy via Buchanan family and I am trying to make advances with that knowledge. Thanks in advance