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The Burke family query is now continuing on the other thread:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1395955

Yes I would be confident thats the marriage :-D


Plus the second marriage cert should name her father

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

My goodness you have been busy, thank you very much for this further information.
I think we can now safely say that the below is the marriage of John Marriott and Catherine Connor :-) :-)

John Marrot
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 26 Aug 1833
Marriage Place: St Mary, Newington, Southwark, England
Spouse:
Catherine Connors
Register Type: Parish Register

Jacobus Josephus Orgill
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 16 Dec 1855
Baptism Place: Wednesbury, Stafford, England
Father:
Josephii Orgill
Mother:
Catherinae Comer
FHL Film Number: 1999483

John died 1851

John Marriott
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Death Registration Place: West Bromwich, Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Jun 1851
Inferred Death Place: Staffordshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 18
Page: 473

Looks like Catherine remarried
1861 census

John Marriott
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: 1839
Relation: Stepson
Mother's Name: Catherin Orgil
Gender: Male
Where born: Wednesbury, Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Bartholomew
Town: Wednesbury
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration District: West Bromwich
Sub-registration District: Wednesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 144
Piece: 2033
Folio: 18
Page Number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Orgil 52
Catherin Orgil 46
John Marriott 22
Austin Orgill 19
Mary Marriott 12
Joseph Orgill 16
Ellen Marriott 13
Thomas Orgill 11
Mary A Orgill 9
James J Orgill 5
Aldan Orgill 3


ORGILL, ALBAN CONNOR
GRO Reference: 1857 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 06B Page 602


Marriage

Marriages Dec 1854
Marriott Catherine W Bromwich 6b 1068
Orgill Joseph W Bromwich 6b 1068

For any further Burke research , you (and we) would be better to continue on the other thread, which already has info about him - though not his origins.

Everything I've posted on this thread is from Ancestry, apart from Ellen's birth which was from the GRO site (free to use), as was Mary Ann's birth posted by Shirley.

Burke is certainly an Irish name.

This is the Orgill marriage you mention, easily found on FreeBMD.

Marriages Dec 1854 (>99%)
Marriott Catherine W Bromwich 6b 1068
Orgill Joseph W Bromwich 6b 1068


John's death:

MARRIOTT, JOHN 42
GRO Reference: 1851 J Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 18 Page 473

ArgyllGran

If you have anymore spare time and now I've got the marriage certificate of John Burke and Marry Maryatt (Marriott) 29.4.1862 Wednesbury West Brom. (as in my previous thread). It also appears that John's father is also a John Burke ( General Labourer) Witnesses: Austin Orgill & Emma Marryatt. I see that the Marriotts lived with the Orgill's on the 1961 Census and it looks like Catherine Marriott (Connor?) married Joseph Orgill at some point so I'm guessing that John Marriott died somewhere in between 1951 & 1961 and it looks like they have a mixture of children from both sides.
P.S I think Austin Orgill moved to America as there's quite a a bit of info I've found about this.
I'd love to find further information from the Burkes side as this is where the Irish connection is supposed to be (not so sure now)

Deb x

ArgyllGran

:-0

Wish I knew how to get this information like you do, this is brilliant and I honestly do appreciate your kindness in helping me.
As John was born around the time they got married it does look like a good lead to me :-D.
Seems like all the men in my family tree are Johns :-S

A tree on Ancestry claims that Hannah's maiden name was Roe, and that John's father was also named John.

This is the marriage the tree owner claims is theirs

John Marriot
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: John Marriot
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 1809
Marriage Place: St. Modwen's, Burton-Upon-Trent, Stafford, England
Spouse: Hannah Roe
FHL Film Number: 1278995
Reference ID: 2:3Z7SVGH


If that's correct (and there's no way to prove that it is) , then this would be John's baptism, a few years after his birth c1809:

John Marriott
in the Staffordshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1900
Name: John Marriott
Baptism Date: 28 Jan 1814
Baptism Place: Burton upon Trent, St Modwen, Staffordshire, England
Religion: Anglican
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: John Marriott
Mother: Hannah Marriott

Yes, Caroline in 1841 is Catherine - possibly misheard by the enumerator.

The whole point of me starting to do my family tree initially was to find ' the Irish connection ' on my Grandfathers side which was talked about quite often when I was growing up.
I still haven't found it and it's not looking likely at the moment, I'm wondering if it was all made up ;-)

Deb

Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it

Ah so she is .. told you i'm getting confused.

Thanks

Hannah is Johns mum not Catherine’s !

ArgyllGran

So am I right in thinking that Catherine Marriott was born in Middlesex and so was her eldest child Ann, however, Catherine's mum Hannah was born in Staffordshire where they eventually settled ?

Doesn't that seem a bit odd for back in those times as I know that they didn't travel around much.

Deb

ArgyllGran

Thats brill !!

Caroline Marriott - is this Catherine Marriott then, i'm assuming so ?

So it looks like Hannah Marriott's husband John isn't living with them at this point ?

Sorry for all the questions, I easily get muddled up and it doesn't help that they all seem to have the same names ....

Deb

Quite possibly.



Not helping with the current query, but John's mother appears to have been named Hannah:

Hannah Marriott
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Hannah Marriott
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Gender: Female
Where born: Staffordshire, England
Civil Parish: Wednesbury
Hundred: South Offlow
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street Address: Fletcher's Court, Market Place
Occupation:
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Registration District: West Bromwich
Sub-registration District: Wednesbury
Neighbors:
Piece: 984
Book: 4
Folio: 9
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
John Marriott 30 - hat maker
Caroline Marriott 25
Hannah Marriott 53
Ann Marriott 7
John Marriott 4
Mary Marriott 2

ArgyllGran
Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it


MARRIOTT, ELLEN mmn COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 18 Page 574

MARRIOTT, MARY ANN CONNOR
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in WEST BROMWICH Volume 18 Page 515

wonder if these are 2 of the sisters and the name Collins/Connors has been transcribed wrong ?

Deb

ArgyllGran

Following on from that previous thread, I received the certificates yesterday and thats what brought me to look for the marriage of Mary's parents.

I also ordered the certificate for John Burkes death in 1869 but apart from the fact he died in a coal fall it didn't really throw up any more leads for me unfortunately.

Once again thank you for your help.