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The Probate record for the man who died in March 1897 is on FMP

His estate was in excess of £2000.00 and Probate was granted to two retired Royal Navy officers

Your man was in the workhouse in 1892

I would imagine THIS is the man who died in1897, aged 63

1881 census
First name(s) William
Last name Mc Dowall
Relationship -
Marital status Married
Sex Male
Age 47
Birth year 1834
Birth town Glasgow
Birth town as transcribed GLASGOW
Birth county Lanarkshire
Birth place Scotland
Birth place other as transcribed SCOTLAND
Occupation Chief Engr
House name H M S Asia
Parish Portsea
County Hampshire

NO mention in ANY records for him of a second forename

Your original request..........copied from page one

wiliam henry mcdowell b 1847 stoke damerel devon m editha rundle 1869 did he marry again after she died in 1881 and have more children as i would like to know when were he died

Why would you post that if you have the death cert?

If you do have it, please post ALL the details from it.................

Does the death cert actually say he was aged 50, or give his date of birth?

If so, then the GRO Index must have the wrong age on it, because the Index definitely says the man who died in Stoke Damerel reg district in 1897 was aged 63..

eriik i have the death certificate to prove william henrys death b1847 died 1897

Joysie

I looked for the death on the gro site

Look at the age

shirley 15th may how is william henrys death date way out how did you find this

As Elizabeth didn't die until 1913, William's 'status' in 1891, when he said he was a widower, was an untruth.

It also raises the question of Elizabeth's whereabouts in that year.

thank you for your help much appreciated

MACDOWELL, ELIZABETH MOORINGE 66
GRO Reference: 1913 D Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 285

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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
22, Oxford Place, Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) Elizabeth M
Last name McDowell
Relationship Widow
Marital status -
Sex Female
Age 55
Birth year 1846
Birth town Plymouth
Birth town as transcribed PLYMOUTH
Birth place England
Birth county Devon
Birth county as transcribed DEVONSHIRE
Occupation Living On Own Means
House number 22
Street Oxford Place
Town -
Parish Plymouth
Country England
County Devon
Municipal ward Frankfort
Registration district Plymouth


England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Plymouth, Devon, England

First name(s) Elizabeth M
Last name Mac Dowell
Gender Female
Birth year 1847
Age 66
Death quarter 4
Death year 1913
District Plymouth
County Devon
Volume 5B
Page 285

The 1815 marriage posted by ErikaH looks like probably Adeline's husband's parents' marriage.



Lucy Boswarra
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Lucy Boswarra
Registration Year: 1854
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration District: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devonshire
Volume: 5b
Page: 192


Lucy Boswarva
England, Devon Bishop's Transcripts, 1558-1887
Name: Lucy Boswarva
Age: 68
Death or Burial Date: 07 Feb 1854
Death or Burial Place: Plymouth, Devon, England
Birth Year (Estimated): 1786
Digital Folder Number: 005883412
Image Number: 00049


Lucy Boswaver
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Lucy Boswaver
Age: 64
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1787
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John Boswaver
Gender: Female
Where born: Stoke, Devon, England
Civil Parish: Plymouth St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability:
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Registration District: Plymouth
Sub-registration District: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 1x
Neighbors:
Household Schedule Number: 97
Piece: 1879
Folio: 774
Page Number: 21
Household Members:
Name Age
John Boswaver 59
Lucy Boswaver 64
Joseph M Boswaver 28

thank youboth very much for all the info you have sent me i am very gratefull

Name: Lucy Mooringe
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 10 Jun 1785
Baptism Place: Stoke Damerel,Devon,England
Father: Joseph Mooringe
Mother: Mary

Name: John Boswarva
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 01 Oct 1815
Marriage Place: Stoke Damerel,Devon,England
Spouse: Lucy Morringe

To answer part of Joysie's question - no, William and Elizabeth didn't have any children, as far as I can see - unless the names are extremely badly mistranscribed..


Adeline's son John (John F in 1851 census):

John Thomas Boswarva
in the UK and Ireland, Masters and Mates Certificates, 1850-1927
Name: John Thomas Boswarva
Estimated Age: 23
Birth Date: 1841
Birth Place: Adelaide, South Australia
Issue Date: 8 Mar 1864
Issue Port: Plymouth
Certificate Number: 30.618


John Thomas Boswarves
in the Australia, Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981
Name: John Thomas Boswarves
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 9 Dec 1841
Baptism Place: Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Residence Place: Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
Father: John Robert Boswarves
Mother: Adeline Boswarves
FHL Film Number: 951872

1871 - Susanna Temple is said to be Adaline's mother. If so, she must have remarried after Adeline's biirth.


Adaline Boswarva
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Adaline Boswarva [Adaline Temple]
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: 1818
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Islington Middlesex England
Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 259
Piece: 2119
Folio: 25
Page number: 43
Household Members Age Relationship
Adaline Boswarva 53 Head
Fredk Boswarva 20 Son
Susanna Temple 83 Mother - Plymouth
Elizabeth Stephens 73 Aunt - Plymouth


Susanna Temple
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Susanna Temple
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Gender: Female
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: Charles The Martyr
Hundred: Roborough
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
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Registration District: Plymouth
Sub-registration District: Charles the Martyr
Neighbors:
Piece: 271
Book: 1
Folio: 14
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Wallace 50
Betty Vosper 75
Thomas Temple 72
Susanna Temple 53
Ellen Temple 15 - Devon
Caroline Temple 12 - Devon
Elizabeth Stephens 43

John Robert Boswarva was a Clerk according to his daughter's marriage cert

Her address at the time was Christ Church, Plymouth

Witnesses H Boswarva and A Boswarva

First name(s) Edmund
Last name McDowell
Birth year 1879
Address Portsmouth
Admission Year 1892
Discharge year 1892
County Hampshire
Country England
Institution name Portsmouth Board Of Guardians
Register type Workhouse Register
Year Range 1891-1895
Archive reference BG/W2/2
Archive
Portsmouth History Centre

First name(s) Wm Hy
Last name McDowell
Birth year 1847
Address Portsmouth
Admission Year 1892
Discharge year 1892
County Hampshire
Country England
Institution name Portsmouth Board Of Guardians
Register type Workhouse Register
Year Range 1891-1895
Archive reference BG/W2/2
Archive
Portsmouth History Centre
Record set Hampshire, Portsmouth Workhouse Registers

Admission 2nd January. Discharge 11th January.

1881

41, Duke Street, Devonport Stoke-Damerel, Stoke Damerel, Devon, England

William H Mc Dowell Head Married Male 34 1847 Asst Boiler Maker Devonport, Devon, England
Edith Mc Dowell Wife Married Female 35 1846 - Penryn, Cornwall, England
Elizabeth Mc Dowell Daughter Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
Alfred Mc Dowell Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
William Mc Dowell Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
Emily Mc Dowell Daughter Single Female 6 1875 Scholar Devonport, Devon, England
Edmund Mc Dowell Son Single Male 2 1879 - Devonport, Devon, England


QED

A tree on Ancestry says he died in 1897 - not so - that man was born in 1834