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Births Jun 1870 (>99%)
Collins Isaac Hoxne 4a 586

Both brothers alive in 1881:

Frederick Collings
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Frederick Collings
[Frederick Collins]
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Henry Collings
Gender: Male
Where born: Monk Soham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Monk Soham
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Hoxne
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors:
Piece: 1859
Folio: 36
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Collings 40
Arthur Collings 16
George Collings 14
Isaac Collings 10
Frederick Collings 8
William Collings 6


It's not unknown for families to have two children with the same name - though it must have been confusing.

But in this case, either it's a mistake on the baptism record - have you seen the original?
Or else Isaac is a family name (though I don't see it on a quick look back at the parents' families) and the parents decided to add it at baptism, although the child's birth was registered as Frederick and he was clearly known as Frederick.


For our reference:

COLLINS, FRED CALVER
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in HOXNE Volume 04A Page 594

COLLINS, ISAAC CALVER
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in HOXNE Volume 04A Page 586

Isaac Freddy Collins
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Isaac Freddy Collins
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 1 May 1874
Baptism Place: Monk Soham,Suffolk,England
Father: Henry Collins
Mother: Mary


Isaac Collins
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Isaac Collins
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 3 Jun 1870
Baptism Place: Monk Soham,Suffolk,England
Father: Henry Collins
Mother: Mary

Looking at the baptisms they are text only

Am leaning to that Isaac Freddy being Fred

If a child died it was often a norm to name the next child of the same sex with the same norm

Or are you saying only one Issac on the next census

I’ll try to put this as simply as I can.
I have a link to a Frederick Collins brn 11/4/1872 birth certificate has Fred Collins on it.
His parents were Henry Collins and Mary Calver.
They had several children including an Isaac Collins this is where my query lies.
I have a birth certificate for Isaac Collins brn 13/05/1870
His parents seem to have had Isaac baptised on 03/06/1870 but they also had another baptism for an Isaac Freddy Collins brn in 1872 baptised privately 01/05/1874 there is no birth certificate for Isaac Freddy Collins just a birth certificate for the above Frederick Collins brn in 1872.
I have checked there is only one birth registered for an Isaac Collins and no deaths.
I cannot find the baptism for Fred Collins.
I’m trying to fathom why they called 2 sons Isaac, no one in the family has ever done this before.
Just looking for reasons as to why this might be
Any suggestions appreciated.
P.s I have seen all of the census’s for the family

Many thanks in advance