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Name: Isaac Collings
Age: 10/12
Estimated Birth Year: 1870
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Monk Soham Suffolk England
Civil parish: Monk Soham
Ecclesiastical parish: Hoxne
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England
Registration district: Hoxne
Sub-registration district: Dennington
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 25
Piece: 1741
Folio: 22
Page number: 5
Household Members Age Relationship
Henry Collings 30 Head
Mary Collings 31 Wife
Arthur Collings 5 Son
George Collings 3 Son
Isaac Collings 10/12 Son

Name: Isaac Collings
[Isaac Collins]
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Henry Collings
Gender: Male
Where born: Monk Soham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Monk Soham
County/Island: Suffolk
Occupation: Scholar
Registration District: Hoxne
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1859
Folio: 36
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Collings 40
Arthur Collings 16
George Collings 14
Isaac Collings 10
Frederick Collings 8
William Collings 6

1891

Name: Isaac Collins
Gender: Male
Age: 20
Relationship: Gunner Ra (Gunner)
Birth Year: 1871
Birth Place: Monk Soham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Newhaven
Ecclesiastical parish: Newhaven
Residence Place: Newhaven, Newhaven, Sussex, England
Registration District: Lewes
Sub registration district: Newhaven
ED, Institution or Vessel: Newhaven Fort

Name: Isaac Collins
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Monk Soham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Staplegate
Search Photos: Search for 'Staplegate' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alphage
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration District: Blean
Sub-registration District: Sturry
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 796
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Schedule Number: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Collins 32
Mary Ann Collins 33
Arthur Henryde 4
Isaac Collins 29
Emily Collins 23

COLLINS, ISAAC CALVER
GRO Reference: 1870 J Quarter in HOXNE Volume 04A Page 586
COLLINS, FRED CALVER
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in HOXNE Volume 04A Page 594
COLLINS, WILLIE CALVER
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in HOXNE Volume 04A Page 609
COLLINS, MARGARET CALVER
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in HOXNE Volume 04A Page 678
COLLINS, MARY ELIZABETH CALVER
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in HOXNE Volume 04A Page 625



Name: Isaac Collins
Enlistment Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1870
Birth Place: Monk Soham Suffolk
Enlistment Year: 1889
Regiment: Royal Artillery
Regimental Number: RA 75745
Attestation Paper: Yes

Lindsey already has the banns notice, and GG posted it on page 1.
They didn't marry, and it looks as if Emily married someone else - also on page 1.


RICHARDS, EMILY mmn FEATHERSTONE
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in CANTERBURY Volume 02A Page 770


Marriages Jun 1867 (>99%)
FETHERSTONE Jane Blean 2a 1017
Richards Thomas Blean 2a 1017

isaac from your new thread
a maybe

Isaac
Last name Collins
Banns year 1901
Banns date 07 Apr 1901
Marriage year 1901
Marriage date -
Place Canterbury, St Alphege
Spouse's first name(s) Emily
Spouse's last name Richards
Groom's parish Borough Of Staplegate
Bride's parish Borough Of Staplegate
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/8
Register year range 1898-1933
Page 16

Name: Emily Richards
Gender: Female
Age: 11
Relationship: Daughter
Birth Year: 1880
Father: Thomas Richards
Mother: Jane Richards
Birth Place: Canterbury, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Thanington
Ecclesiastical parish: Thanington
Residence Place: Thanington, Thanington, Kent, England
Registration District: Bridge
Sub registration district: Chartham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 9
Neighbors:
Piece: 704
Folio: 128
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Richards 49
Jane Richards 42
Jane Richards 22
Alice Richards 18
George Richards 19
Luley Richards 13
Emily Richards 11
Silvester Richards 9
Hilda Richards 8
Charles Richards 6
Jessie Richards 3
Edith Richards 7/12

Thank you all very much, as you say say ArgyllGran he could well be registered in the unknown male deaths 8n that area.
I guess I will never know for now

Thanks again
Lindsey ??

Emily is listed as Collins on the census because they were living together as man and wife, but for respectability they had to pretend to be married.

Clearly Isaac had intended to marry her, but then they broke up and she married Arthur Buxton instead.
Poor Isaac!

??? Just a thought -

Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
Unknown Male 25 Blean 2a 512


Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
Unknown Male 25-30 Blean 2a 742

Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
Unknown Male - Blean 2a 491

Deaths Sep 1910 (>99%)
Unknown Male ? Blean 2a 461

Or one of the many "Unknown Male" deaths in other places.

Yes that’s what I thought I’ve seen the census and it clearly seems to be Emily is still Richards and is just on the census as Collins for whatever reason, but they definitely didn’t get married.

I just cannot find Isaac Collins anywhere else after this no marriage or even a death record. Definitely not on any census after this

Yes I can see only Banns for Isaac and Emily and no marriage

BUT am wondering if the Emily Collins on that 1901 census (not on census as Emily Richards) was living with Isaac as his wife and therefore using his surname but was actually Emily Richards .

The address of 7 Staplegate on census is that given for the Marriage of Emily Richards and Arthur Buxton

FMP transcribes as 2 separate households whereas Ancestry has them on the same transcript (posted by AG earlier)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Staplegate Place, Staplegate, Blean, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Harry Collins Head Married Male 32 1869 General Farm Labourer Monk Soham, Suffolk, England
Mary Ann Collins Wife Married Female 33 1868 Farm Field Worker Mile End, Middlesex, England
Arthur Henry Collins Son Single Male 4 1897 - Canterbury, Kent, England

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Staplegate Place, Staplegate, Blean, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isaac Collins Lodger Married Male 29 1872 Horse Breaker Suffolk, England
Emily Collins Lodger Married Female 23 1878 - Canterbury, Kent, England

Not that it helps with Isaac

Yes she was still Emily Richards on the census as there are only the banns for the marriage between Isaac Collins and Emily Richards that year there was no actual marriage that took place

Kent Marriages And Banns
Canterbury, St Alphege, Kent, England

First name(s) Arthur
Last name Buxton
Birth year 1868
Marriage year 1901
Marriage date 30 Sep 1901
Place Canterbury, St Alphege
Spouse's first name(s) Emily
Spouse's last name Richards
Groom's age 33
Groom's father's first name(s) Arthur
Groom's father's last name Buxton
Bride's age 22
Bride's father's first name(s) Thomas
Bride's father's last name Richards
County Kent
Country England
Register year range 1896-1914
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/8
Page 42
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain

From image -
Arthur a Bachelor aged 33 a Private in the 21st Lancers s/o Arthur a Labourer
Emily a spinster aged 22 d/o Thomas Richards a Labourer.
Both of 7 Staplegate Place. ***************
Witnesses - (? Henry) Arthur Collins and Mary Ann Collins <<<<<<<<<<<<<<

From image of the Banns entry -
Banns read 15/22/29 Sept
Bachelor and spinster

***********1901 address of the Collins
<<<<<<<< Names of the people with whom Isaac and Emily Collins were living on the 1901 census.
So was Emily "Collins" living with Isaac as his wife and was in actual fact Emily Richards??

Yes that’s what I thought, I just cannot find him past this date

It certainly appears that they didn't actually marry.

Kent Marriages And Banns
Canterbury, St Alphege, Kent, England

First name(s) Isaac
Last name Collins
Banns year 1901
Banns date 07 Apr 1901
Marriage year 1901
Marriage date -
Place Canterbury, St Alphege
Spouse's first name(s) Emily
Spouse's last name Richards
Groom's parish Borough Of Staplegate
Bride's parish Borough Of Staplegate
County Kent
Country England
Archive Canterbury Cathedral Archives
Archive reference U3/8
Register year range 1898-1933
Page 16
Record set Kent Marriages And Banns
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from England, Great Britain
© Findmypast

From image.
Banns read 7/14/21 April
Bachelor and spinster

I found them on FMP
The banns date was the 7th April1901 at St Alphage, Canterbury

I don't see the banns you mention - what site did you find that on?

If that marriage didn't take place, I wonder if this is relevant??

Marriages Sep 1901 (>99%)
Buxton Arthur Canterbury 2a 1807
RICHARDS Emily Canterbury 2a 1807


Not that it helps at all with Isaac.

Sorry I have done a 2nd post about Isaac after finding him on the 1901 I found a marriage bann record for an Isaac Collins and a Emily Richards in Canterbury. However there is no marriage date on it or a record of a marriage taking place at any time ??

Isaac Collins
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Isaac Collins
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation to Head: Lodger
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Monk Soham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: Staplegate
Ecclesiastical parish: St Alphage
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street Address:
Registration District: Blean
Sub-registration District: Sturry
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 796
Folio: 13
Page Number: 18
Household Schedule Number: 83
Household Members:
Name Age
Harry Collins 32 - Monk Soham
Mary Ann Collins 33
Arthur Henry 4
Isaac Collins 29
Emily Collins 23

From the other thread, asking a different question but the same man

I have an Isaac Collins brn 13/05/1870 in monk Soham.
I have him on all the census’s up to 1901 past this I have nothing, he was in the army and then discharged.
I cannot find out what happened to him I certainly can’t find a death record, I have tried the 1911 and 1939 but nothing.
They only thing I’ve found is Isaac on the 1901 census in Canterbury kent it says he is married there is an Emily with him. I’ve searched for a marriage but there is non. There were the banns for a marriage between Isaac Collins and a Emily Richards in 1901 but there is no date for the marriage on the record .

I do have membership for FMP at the moment if anyone has any pointers

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The 1901 census you refer to on the other thread

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
7, Staplegate Place, Staplegate, Blean, Kent, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Isaac Collins Lodger Married Male 29 1872 Horse Breaker Suffolk, England
Emily Collins Lodger Married Female 23 1878 - Canterbury, Kent, England

Another thread started about Isaac from 1901 onwards:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1393126

The baptism is text only Malyon