Genealogy Chat

Yes, I agree about Louisa and Lucy, Elizabeth and Eliza, and so on.

I've been speculating but haven't come up with anything that passes muster. One thought was that Edwin might have remarried with a Jane but I can find no trace of such a marriage.

I've also had cases where a sister has stepped into the breach when a wife died early, but again I can't find evidence to support that in this case.

I think speculation is fine, as long as one then does his best to prove or disprove the speculation.

Again, many thanks for your help, alviegal.

Keith

You're welcome Keith. As for the names, I can see Louisa and Lucy. Jane possibly a middle name as she uses it most often, but Elizabeth, who knows? As Erika says, any thoughts are just speculative and most probably wrong.

I think we all may have instances like this in our trees. I have Patience who becomes Emma just once, Eliza who is Elsie, Elizabeth, Sophia and Margaret! And not forgetting a recent one born 1912 with the name Rosina Millicent becoming Kathleen!

At a distance of some 150 years, any 'thoughts' about the name change would be purely speculative, and probably totally wrong

I found the Hampshire Chronicle, thanks again alviegal!

Oh magic, thank you alviegal. I've been looking for Frewins as well as Trewins but I missed that record with Sarah Bochaton. And I really should have thought to look for the Bocatons (but not Bockhaton) as I have teased out most of that family.

One detail, alviegal: does that Hampshire Chronicle record come from FMP?

Does anyone have any ideas about Lucy using the name Jane? I know names were moveable feasts: my father's brother John Henry Thomas was always called Jack, and my father Arthur William was always Johnny ... In the Trewin family middle names are often used in preference to first names, but there doesn't seem to be any rationale for Lucy via Elizabeth to Jane.

Keith

It is isn't it. Wish they were all like that! :-D

Good find (1881) , alviegal.

What lovely handwriting on the original!

Edwin (under 1 month) with his mother Eliza (30)


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Queens Charlottes Lying in Hospital, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Edwin
Last name Bochaton
Relationship Patient
Marital status -
Sex Male
Age 0
Birth year 1871
Birth place England
Birth county Middlesex
Birth county as transcribed MIDDLESEX
Street Queens Charlottes Lying In Hospital
Parish Marylebone


1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Barlows Lane, Andover, Hampshire, England


Edwin Trewin Head Married Male 61 1800 Blacksmith Journeyman Somerset, England
Lucy Trewin Wife Married Female 60 1801 - Kintbury, Berkshire, England
Eliza Bochaton Daughter Married Female 24 1837 Ship Stewards Wife Andover, Hampshire, England
Emma Bochaton Granddaughter - Female 0 (4 months) 1861 - Andover, Hampshire, England
Edwin Ratty Grandson - Male 6 1855 Scholar Andover, Hampshire, England
Henry P Green Boarder - Male 1 1860 - Marylebone, Middlesex, England


I assume Sarah C in 1881 is possibly Emma, Sarah E(mma) perhaps?

EDIT Ah yes, here she is.

BOCHATON, SARAH EMMA TREWIN
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in ANDOVER Volume 02C Page 183

BOCHATON, ALFRED TREWIN
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 481

BOCHATON, JOHN EDWIN TREWIN
GRO Reference: 1871 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 497

On the I8th ult., South-street, Andover, Jane, widow of Edwin Trewin, aged 88.
01 January 1887 - Hampshire Chronicle - Winchester, Hampshire, England


So here she is in 1881, thankfully at the same address. Her age should possibly be 82? Hard to tell as there's a black line through it.



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census

South Street, Andover, Hampshire, England

Jane Frewin Widow Head Single Female 52 1829 - Berkshire, England
Sarah C Bockhaton Grand Daughter Single Female 20 1861 Servant Dom Andover, Hampshire, England
Edwin John Bockhaton Grand Son Single Male 10 1871 - London, Middlesex, England

You're welcome, Keith.

However, I can't see any sign of Lucy/Jane/Elizabeth in 1881.

The 1886 death looks very likely, though of course you'd have to see the details on the cert to be sure.

That C1841 record looks right, the address, Barlow's Lane, matches the C1851 record.

Thanks again Argyllgran!

Keith

Hello ArgyllGran & safc

Yes, that's the baptism of Lucy Ellen Trewin. I've seen a goodly collection of alternative spellings of the name. The most common (that I have seen) confuses the initial T with an F - and when you look at the originals you can see why.

That C1871 record matches (can be made to match) really well:
Elizabeth (Rebecca) Trewin was the mother of Edwin.
Emma & Alfred were the children of Eliza Emma Trewin who married John Bochaton so their surnames ought to be Bochaton.
Which leaves me wondering: why "Jane"?

I need to look at that C1841 record, thank you for that ArgyllGran. The children's names match pretty well. Brilliant find!

And that's the C1861 record.

Thank you for helping to think this through.

Keith

Baptism of the daughter Ellen , listed in 1841 above ??

Lucy Ellen Fruen
in the England & Wales, Christening Index, 1530-1980
Name: Lucy Ellen Fruen
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Mar 1834
Christening Place: Andover, Hampshire, England
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Map:
View this parish
Father: Edwin Fruen
Mother: Lucy Fruen

Record Transcription:
1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Barlows Lane, Andover, Hampshire, England

Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Jane Trewin Head - Female 71 1800 - Berkshire, England
Elizabeth Trewin Daughter - Female 26 1845 - Hampshire, England
Edwin Trewin Son - Male 8 1863 - Hampshire, England
Emma Trewin Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Hampshire, England
Alfred Trewin Son - Male 5 1866 - Hampshire, England


jane is a widow

?? Handwriting unclear, but could be Trewin on image:

Edward Irish
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Edward Irish
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1801
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Andover
Hundred: Andover Division
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
View image
Registration district: Andover
Sub-registration district: Andover
Neighbors:
Piece: 411
Book: 1
Folio: 12
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Irish 40 - blacksmith
Lucy Irish 35
Ellen Irish 12
Edwin Irish 9
Emily Irish 6
Eliza Irish 4
Elena Irish 2

For helpers' reference re location:

TREWIN, ELIZABETH REBECCA mms STURGESS
GRO Reference: 1844 D Quarter in ANDOVER Volume 07 Page 33



Lucy Trewin
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Lucy Trewin
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: 1801
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Edwin Trewin
Gender: Female
Where born: Kintbury, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Andover
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
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Registration district: Andover
Sub-registration district: Andover
ED, institution, or vessel: 5f
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 117
Piece: 715
Folio: 48
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Edwin Trewin 61 - blacksmith journeyman
Lucy Trewin 60
Eliza Bochaton 24
Emma Bochaton 4
Edwin Ratty 6
Henry P Green 1

Yes, C1871 is the 1871 census
I agree about the death certificate. In the death record I've found, only the birth year is given 1798.
I've yet to find her in C1881, if the death record is correct then she should be somewhere ...
I've not found her and Edwin in C1841 either yet.
Keith

Presumably your capital C is meant to denote Census?
The details of the informant on the death cert may prove helpful

"Lucy" appears as:
Lucy at her baptism 1803
Lucy at her marriage 1827
Louisa at baptism of Emily Jane Trewin 1834
Lucy at baptism of Eliza Emma Trewin 1836
Lucy at baptism of Eleanor Ann 1839
Lucy at baptism of Eliza Rebecca 1844
Elizabeth in C1851
Lucy in C1861
Jane in C1871
Jane in the most likely death record 1886

Looking at family members, birth date and place, and address these all seem to be the same person. If they are, why the name variability? I have not been able to find competing records where the name is other than Lucy.

What does the team think please?

Keith