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Hi I've traced back to 1781 and can't seem to find any more info on relative before that date. Any suggestions please
Jeanette

Try family search site. They often have older records

May depend on where in the country you're looking, earlier records survive better in some places that others.

Not all records are online, it sometimes means a visit to a Records Office.

If you want to give some details (as much info as possible) helpers on here may be able to find something.

Previous threads with relative's name:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/944026

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/945248

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/943534

Copied from there:

JOSEPH TIBBLES BORN ST JOHNS HAMPSTEAD LONDON 1781
DIED 1842 IN ST JOHNS HAMPSTEAD LONDON
HE MARRIED ELIZABETH TAME AT ST MATTHEWS BETHNALL GREEN LONDON

1841 CENSUS
ELIZABETH 40
HARITH 5
JOHN 12
JOSEPH 60
JOSEPH 16 WHICH MY LINE FOLLOWS
MARY 10
THOMAS 8
WILLIAM 2
SARAH 15



Helpers apparently couldn't find anything then (2007).

The 1841 census you refer to as transcribed by Ancestry - the quality is atrocious - FMP haven't even tried to interpret surname !

The consensus is that Joseph was not born in the County of Middlesex.

If his age was correctly recorded as 60 (i.e. ages over 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5) then he could have been aged 60-64, so may have been born as early as 1776/7

Name: Joseph Tibbles
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1781
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: St John Hampstead
Hundred: Ossulstone (Holborn Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Hampstead
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 674
Book: 2
Folio: 6
Page Number: 7
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Tibbles 60
Elizabeth Tibbles 40
Joseph Tibbles 16
John Tibbles 12
Thomas Tibbles 8
William Tibbles 2
Mary Tibbles 10
Harith Tibbles 5

Relationships are not shown on the 1841 census, but IF Elizabeth aged 40 is his wife then it is not Elizabeth Tame as that wedding was 1796 (an Elizabeth of right age 'match" 1841 age is shown as a widow 1851 census which follows)

From the image - Both are shown as "of this Parish" but that doesn't mean they were born there

At the time of the marriage they were Widower/Widow

View London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932

Name: Joseph Tibbles
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 23 Oct 1796
Marriage Place: St Matthew, Bethnal Green, Tower Hamlets, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Tame
Register Type: Parish Register

Same family 1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Roslyn Street, St John Hampstead, Hampstead, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Elizabeth Tibbles Head Widow Female 54 1797 Cow Keeper & Dairy Woman St James Westminster, Middlesex, England
Joseph Tibbles Son Unmarried Male 25 1826 Assistant Cow Keeper & Dairy Woman Middlesex, England
John Tibbles Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Assistant Cow Keeper & Dairy Woman Middlesex, England
Thomas Tibbles Son Unmarried Male 17 1834 - Middlesex, England
Sarah Tibbles Daughter - Female 15 1836 - Middlesex, England
James Winsbury Nephew Unmarried Male 26 1825 Water Carrier Middlesex, England

???
Long shot, but as that 1796 marriage was in Tower Hamlets and he could have been born as early as 1776, then there is this baptism. (Even if 1841 says he was not born in Middlesex)

Image says he was 19 days old when baptised.

Name: Joseph Tibble
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Sep 1776
Baptism Place: St Mary, Stratford Bow, Tower Hamlets, Middlesex, England
Father: James Tibble
Mother: Hannah Tibble

This looks likely for the birth of the son William (aged 2 in 1841, living in Edmonton RG):

TIBBLES, WILLIAM mms COOPER
GRO Reference: 1838 D Quarter in EDMONTON Volume 03 Page 98


???

Joseph Tibbles
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
Name: Joseph Tibbles
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Jul 1824
Marriage Place: St Giles in the Fields, Camden, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Cooper
Register Type: Parish Register

Both "of this parish".
Joseph a widower, Elizabeth a spinster.
Witnesses: J Blackstock Crippen, and Wm Taylor. Wm Taylor is witness to a lot of marriages, so not a relative.

The son from whom Jeanette is descended ??:

Joseph Tibbles
in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1917
Name: Joseph Tibbles
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 28 Dec 1825
Baptism Place: Hampstead St John, Camden, England
Father: Joseph Tibbles
Mother: Elizabeth Tibbles