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I am trying to discover more about my 4x Great Grandmother who I believe was born in Essex in 1797. She married John Butler, I believe in 1818 and had 4 sons - Samuel, William, James and John. I would like to find out about her parents if I can but can't seem to get any further. I would be grateful for any help anyone is able to offer. Thank you.

Hi Julia,

I have come across this marriage before as I have Fishlock ancestors from the area of the marriage. will have a further look, as I was contacted by someone who had the couple in their tree...but that's some years ago.

Greater London Marriage Index

First name(s) Mary
Last name Fishlock
Marriage year 1818
Marriage date 11 Jun 1818
Spouse's first name John
Spouse's last name Butler
Place Hanwell
County Middlesex
Country England
Record set Greater London Marriage Index

Just for ref, there were also daughters Susanna and Elizabeth, baptism for Elizabeth

Middlesex Baptisms

First name(s) Elizabeth
Last name Butler
Birth date/age 1 Sep 1826
Baptism year 1826
Baptism date 01 Oct 1826
Parish Hanwell
Relationship Daughter
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Occupation Baker
Residence Hanwell
County Middlesex
Country England
Record set Middlesex Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Hanwell, Brentford, Middlesex, England



John Butler Male 45 1796 Middlesex, England ( Occ' Baker)
Mary Butler Female 55 1786 Middlesex, England
John Butler Male 20 1821 Middlesex, England
Benjamin Butler Male 15 1826 Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Butler Female 15 1826 Middlesex, England

1851

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Kings Arms, Hanwell, Brentford, Middlesex, England


John Butler Head Widower Male 59 1792 - Brentford, Middlesex, England ( formerly a baker)
Benjamin Butler Son Unmarried Male 25 1826 Painter Hanwell, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Butler Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 Housekeeper Hanwell, Middlesex, England

As far as I can remember the person who contacted me re the family thought that Mary had come from Hampshire, as there are pockets of Fishlocks there and in Wiltshire as well as the Hanwell/Brentford/Isleworth areas it is quite difficult to untangle them .

death
BUTLER, MARY 63
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03 Page 2

bearing in mind the discrepancy in age, this might be her.

though there is this one with a middle name

BUTLER, MARY ANN 51
GRO Reference: 1847 J Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03 Page 16

Middlesex Baptisms


First name(s) William
Last name Butler
Birth date/age 25 Oct
Baptism year 1821
Baptism date 02 Dec 1821
Parish Hanwell
Relationship Son
Father's first name(s) John
Mother's first name(s) Mary
Occupation Baker
Residence Hanwell
County Middlesex
Country England
Record set Middlesex Baptisms

Rambling
Thank you for you swift reply. I am not sure that this is the same family as mine? I think that my Mary and John Butler lived in Essexand their son Samuel who is my 3x Great Grandfather was born in 1826. He died in 1886. Also I thought there were just the four sons. Maybe I have his mother's maiden name wrong. This part ofy family was definitely Essex based. Mary was born in wix in Essex. What do you think? I would be grateful for your thoughts on this.

There are quite a few baptisms on Findmypast for the name Mary Fishlock born 1797 +/- 5 years but none of them are from Essex. Mostly Wiltshire, Hampshire or Somerset.

Kath. x

Does below relate?...

Chris :)

Baptism
County Essex
Place Weeley
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 300
Baptism date 12 Sep 1825
Person forename Samuel
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Mary
Father surname BUTLER
Person abode Weeley
Father occupation Cordwainer


Burial
County Essex
Place Weeley
Church name St Andrew
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 144
Burial date 10 Jan 1827
Burial person forename John
Burial person surname BUTLER
Person age 3y6m
Burial person abode Weeley


(as below was there also, just adding)

County Essex
Place Beaumont-cum-Moze
Church name St Leonard
Register type Parish Register
Register entry number 18
Marriage date 19 Apr 1819
Groom forename John
Groom surname BUTLER
Groom condition bachelor
Bride forename Mary
Bride surname MARTIN
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 Edward MARTIN
Witness2 James WELLER
Notes By licence. Groom & witness 2 sign, bride & witness 1 mark.


(a Brother?)

Baptism
County Essex
Place Wix
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Birth date 05 Apr 1800
Baptism date 08 Jun 1800
Person forename Edwd
Person sex M
Father forename Edwd
Mother forename Elizabeth
Father surname MARTIN

Baptism
County Essex
Place Wix
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 14 Apr 1797
Person forename Mary
Person sex F
Father forename Edwd
Mother forename Elizth


Place Wix
Church name St Mary
Register type Parish Register
Marriage date 30 Oct 1788
Groom forename Edward
Groom surname MARTIN
Groom condition bachelor
Groom abode Gt Oakley
Bride forename Elizth
Bride surname CUTTEN
Bride condition spinster
Witness1 Phebe HAM
Witness2 Martha FEARIS

(some other sibling Baptisms on below also, Burial of Mother Elizabeth, possible second Marriage for Father Edward)

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(all coming under Tendring District, as does Wix)

Yes thank you Chris. This is my Butler family in Essex. Just need to pinpoint Mary’s maiden name. As I said I’m beginning to doubt that it was Fishlock.

(have added extra as to Marriage above, if them)

Chris :)

Edits (below relates!)

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1377630

Julia, no that is not the same family then , from the census and baptisms of the couple in Hanwell's children plus birth place it rules out a connection.

witness on 1818 marriage was thomas fishlock

Beaumont-cum-Moze is a civil parish in the Tendring district of Essex, England. According to the 2001 census it had a population of 352, reducing to 339 at the 2011 Census. The parish includes …

Weeley
Weeley is a village and civil parish in Tendring, east Essex, England. The population of the parish at the 2011 Census was 1,768. It is served by Weeley railway station on the Sun

maybe

John
Last name Butler
Name note -
Marriage year 1819
Marriage date 19 Apr 1819
Marriage place Beaumont-Cum-Moze
Spouse's first name(s) Mary
Spouse's last name Martin
Residence Beaumont-cum-Moze, Essex, England
County Essex
Country England

i see posted above but it is in the right area