Genealogy Chat

I am aware that there are differences between the two, my question is how one can trace a child that appears on the freeBMD index, but does not appear on the GRO index under that name. In the case of Wiiliam Toin b 1859 Boston Lincolnshire, I have searched under variants spellings such as Toyn, Toyne, Toine without any joy. Searching the GRO index of course requires the surname to be entered, so the fact that I have a vol & page no from freeBMD does help. Any suggestions for ways of finding births when they don't appear as they do on the freeBMD index?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Births Mar 1859 (>99%)
TOIN William Boston 7a 346

Also available on FMP, but can't reproduce here - another phone call to FMP !!

Not seeing on GRO but it's not the only one of Q1 1859 7A 346 (as per freebmd) missing from GRO index, but some are there.

Have also come across missing names on the GRO index. There is a facility for you to report it to GRO.

Like anything else, transcribing a record from one place to another is open to mistakes.

the gro index doesnt require the mmn it will show it on the entry it pulls up

have you checked the actual page on freebmd to see if it been transcribed correctly

Hi Shirley, yes the name appears as Toin on the handwritten page. I am aware that you don't need to include MMN, in this case I can't as I don't know it, trying to find that info was my reason for going to the GRO index.

Kirton or Kirton in Holland is within the borough of Boston (wikipedia)

Boston RD covers Kirton (or Kirton in Holland) Freebmd

so a possible from the free to search site - https://www.familysearch.org
William Toine
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: William Toine
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 27 Feb 1859
Christening Date (Original): 27 Feb 1859
Christening Place: Kirton in Holland, Lincoln, England
Father's Name: Richard Toine
Mother's Name: Ann

Thanks for locating this Greyghost, it didn't come up on a search of Lincolnshire Baptisms on FMP, or a more general search.

???
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1854 (>99%)
Toyne Richard Lincoln 7a 874
WHITE Ann Lincoln 7a 874

Possible -
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TOINE, JANE WHITE
GRO Reference: 1856 S Quarter in BOSTON Volume 07A Page 321

TOIN, LUKE WHITE
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in HORNCASTLE UNION Volume 07A Page 450


Along with William 1859 - possibly this family though!!

Ann and Mary b North Hykeham - SSW of Lincoln
Think Matthew actually says born Snarford - 9 m NE of Lincoln

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Cottage, Lusby, Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matthew Toyn Head Married Male 30 1831 Foreman & Labourer Swinford, Lincolnshire, England
Ann Toyn Wife Married Female 27 1834 - Lincolnshire, England
Mary Toyn Daughter - Female 6 1855 - Lincolnshire, England
Jane Toyn Daughter - Female 4 1857 - Kirton, Lincolnshire, England
William Toyn Son - Male 2 1859 - Kirton, Lincolnshire, England
Luke Toyn Son - Male 0 1861 - Lusby, Lincolnshire, England
Eliza Staples Servant Unmarried Female 15 1846 Dairymaid Waddington, Lincolnshire, England
Henry Crane Servant Unmarried Male 21 1840 Carter Hagworthingham, Lincolnshire, England
Joseph Motum Servant Unmarried Male 21 1840 Carter Mavis Enderby, Lincolnshire, England
John Blanchard Servant Unmarried Male 14 1847 Carter Hagworthingham, Lincolnshire, England

But then there's this -

Jane Toyn
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Jane Toyn
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 20 July 1856
Christening Date (Original):
Christening Place: Kirton in Holland
Birth Date: 5 July 1856
Father's Name: Richard
Mother's Name: Anne

William Toyne
in the 1871 England Census
Name: William Toyne
Age: 12
Estimated birth year: 1859
Relation: Son
Gender: Male
Where born: Kerton Lincolnshire England
Civil Parish: Lusby
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England
Registration district: Horncastle
Sub-registration district: Tetford
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 18
Piece: 3383
Folio: 114
Page Number: 3
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Toyne 40
Ann Toyne 38
William Toyne 12
Luke Toyne 10
Emma Toyne 8
Annie Toyne 6
Elizabeth Toyne 3
Martha Toyne 1
Fanny Toyne 1/12
Thomas Thomdyke 23 - boarder
John Hicke 23 - boarder
John Conyers 17 - boarder
Mary Ann Lame 11 - servant

I have found the scan of the marriage register for William, he gives his father as William, which doesn't fit with the census data above. William wasn't with his parents in 1871 but is described as the nephew of William Barton, living with him and his wife Eliza in Boston. I am curious as to who his parents were and perhaps getting a line on why he was with William and Eliza.

On Ancestry, the image of the 1861 posted above by GG, has pages missing.

The image consists of only two pages, for everyone on the transcription except Matkin [Matthew] , Ann, and Mary..

Page 1 of the transcription is the Description of Enumeration District, then page 2 starts with the daughter Jane.


EDIT:
The full 7 pages of image show up for Matkin, Ann and Mary, but only the first and last pages of the seven for everyone else on the transcription.

A Father and Son William

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Sadney Private, North Kelsey, Caistor, Lincolnshire, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Toyn Head - Male 31 1840 - Lincolnshire, England ? Grafsby
Ann Toyn Wife - Female 30 1841 - Lincolnshire, England ? Ludford
William Toyn Son - Male 12 1859 - Lincolnshire, England ? Ludford
John Toyn Son - Male 7 1864 - Lincolnshire, England Cadney
Louisa Toyn Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Lincolnshire, England Cadney
George Toyn Son - Male 0 1871 - Lincolnshire, England North Kelsey


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1860 (>99%)
Toin William Caistor 7a 911
Towel Ann Caistor 7a 911
Towell Ann Caistor 7a 911

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TOIN, LOUISA TOWEL
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in GLANFORD BRIGG Volume 07A Page 608

The census you refer to - All said to be born Boston

why do you think this is your William

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Pinfold Lane, Boston, Lincolnshire, England.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Barton Head - Male 44 1827 - Lincolnshire, England
Eliza Barton Wife - Female 36 1835 - Lincolnshire, England
William Toyn Nephew - Male 12 1859 - Lincolnshire, England

No idea if below relate, just looking round on below link...

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Chris :)

County Lincolnshire
Place Boston
Church name St Botolph
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 15 May 1851
Groom forename William
Groom surname TOYNE
Bride forename Eliza
Bride surname BARTON
Groom father forename John
Groom father surname TOYNE
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname BARTON


County Lincolnshire
Place Boston
Church name St Botolph
Register type Unspecified
Marriage date 23 Mar 1851
Groom forename William
Groom surname BARTON
Bride forename Elizabeth
Bride surname GIBSON
Groom father forename William
Groom father surname BARTON

Had to pop out, ChrisH I believe you have found a right piece of the puzzle with the first marriage above. It seems likely that Eliza Barton who married Willian Toyn snr is related to William Barton with whom William Toyn jnr resided. The William Barton with whom William jnr lived married Eliza Haylock and I have the marriage record concerned. Now for some digging to see if my theory is correct.

I believe the matter of William Toyn's parentage and why he might have been with William and Eliza Barton nee Haylock is resolved. His parents were I think William Toyn and Eliza Barton, as in the marriage found above. I have located the 1861 census for William & Eliza Toyn with William jnr included at Toynton All Saints (I can only think the surname Toyn must have some connection). Although the place of birth for William jnr is show as Toynton rather than Boston, I also found an 1841 census with William Barton snr and family, including William Barton jnr (too many William's here) and Eliza Barton as children, in Boston. A further link is that both William Barton jnr and Eliza Haylock are shown as resident in Toynton All Saints when they married. Eliza Toyn nee Barton died in 1864 & is buried at Langrick, where husband William married again in 1867. Seems likely that childless William & Eliza Barton agreed to take in the young William Toyn following the death of his mother, and he did not return to live with his father & step-mother.