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ArgyllGran,

I've just noticed that on her probate record it gives 3 variations of the spelling of her name - Lucy, Lucie & LUCIA. I assume it was because at some point in her life she used it.

Teamwork - you can't beat it.

It does now but back then it was Surrey.

Doesn't Kingston upon Thames count as part of London?

A good call ArgyllGran.

A definite maybe.

Similar name, right location and occupation, shame about the place of birth.

???


Lucia Johnson
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Lucia Johnson
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Female
Birth Place: London, England
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marylebone and St Thomas Portman Square
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 75 Wigmore Street
Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors:
Piece: 108
Folio: 124
Page Number: 19
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members:
Name Age
Lucia Johnson 30 - dressmaker, widow, working on own account
Alice J Jewell 30 - boarder, single, milliner
Emily E Jewell 19 - boarder, single, milliner

She died just before her 90th birthday, good on her.

The house she lived in all those years is now valued at about £5 million. Not bad for a dressmaker.

She consistently calls herself mrs


Name: Mrs Lucie Edith Johnstone
Year: 1933
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Marylebone
Street address: 21 Upper Montagu

Think it's all for respectibily. Ladies didn't have as much respect then as gents so calling herself a widow took her up a notch

The 1911 I posted is from FMP and is the transcript

She is an emloyer but she has a housekeeper living with her so maybe that's the staff

She may have been working from home rather than an establishment

She is still saying mrs in 1939


Name: Mrs Lucie Edith Johnstone
Year: 1939
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: St Marylebone
Street address: 31 upper montague street

Her will has her living at 34 upper montague street

Think she is saying she had been married for 12 years to 1911

If you have a look at the front page of the 1911 census it clearly says 'Vernon'. But, the way she wrote it and signed it looks quite different.

She says 'None' to chidlren on the same census and '12' years of marriage. Does that mean she had 12 years of marriage before her husband died or that she was married 12 years ago (1899).

Between 1935 & 1937 she moved from 21 to 31 Upper Montague Street.
On her mothers death certificate in 1908, she was Lucie E. Johnston.

Her father died in 1870 in South Africa and her only other sibling died in Kingston, Surrey in 1874 aged 4.

Her mother was a domestic servant on the 1901 census so I am now wondering how or where she got the money to set herself up in business. On the 1911 census she is shown as an Employer.

It will probably remain a mystery.

It doesn't look like Vernon on the actual form

Record Transcription:
1911 Census For England & Wales
21 Upper Montague ST, St Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England


Household Members
Members that resided in the household at the time of the census.

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
William Hay Boarder Married Female 52 1859 Private Means Lanark Glasgow
Beatrice MacHan Boarder Married Female 31 1880 Private Means Hastings
Henry Hubard Harper Boarder Single Male 36 1875 Solicitor Leamington Warwickshire
Louise Lowey Housekeeper Single Female 41 1870 Housekeeper Domestic London
Lucie E Felmon Johnston Head Widow Female 39 1872 Dressmaking Surrey

Says married 12 years no children

So she is head of house so must have been letting out rooms

Maybe she got more respect as a widow rather than a spinster

Wonder why her mum named her a Johnston in her will

Did she perhaps have a child so was a widow for respectibilty

She is on her own still at 21 montague street


Name: Lucie E Johnstone
Year: 1919
County or Borough: Westminster
Ward or Division/Constituency: Paddington and St Marylebone

Or at least there's no others there who can vote

I see the probate
It may be worth £10 getting a copy of the will to see where her estate went to

View England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995

Name: Lucie Edith Johnstone
[Lucia Eidth Johnstone]
Death Date: 14 Feb 1961
Death Place: London, England
Probate Date: 23 Jun 1961
Probate Registry: London, England

Many thanks Shirley, very much appreciated.
I was looking for an ancestor who was running a dress making business at the address in 1902. Unfortunately, she doesn't appear to be on the 1901 census.anywhere.
She was born in 1871 as Edith Lucy TULIT. I've got her on the 1871 & 1881 census.
She next appears in 1902 advertising herself as Lucie VERNON (Miss) Dressmaker.
3 years later she is advertising herself as Lucie Vernon (Madame) Court dressmaker living round the corner at 21 Upper Montague Street.
In 1907 she is on the voters register as Mrs Lucie JOHNSTON. On the 1911 census she calls herself Lucie E. Vernon Johnston (widow).
I can find no evidence of marriage to change her name once let alone twice.
On Ancestry I have attached 26 documents to her but nothing concerned with a marriage. I am beginning to think the name changes were for business purposes and calling herself a widow gave her respectability. On her probate record in 1961 she is shown as a spinster. On her mothers probate record in 1908 she is a widow.
Very confusing.
Once again, thanks for the look-up.

Got a glimpse on FMP then zilch but enough to find them on ancestry

View 1901 England Census
Name: Herbert J Chambers
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Elen A Chambers
Birth Place: Marylebone
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Search Photos: Search for 'St Marylebone' in the UK City, Town and Village Photos collection
Ecclesiastical parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:47 Dorset road

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub-registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 03
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 107
Folio: 59
Page Number: 5
Household schedule number: 48
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert J Chambers 31 occ provisions merchants manager
Elen A Chambers 32
Sarah A Bodger 34 visitor
Gladys M Chambers 4
Minnie E Chambers 2
Emma Thompson 23 servant

FMP is not working atm

Who are you hoping may be living there

Hello,
Please could someone do me an address look-up on the 1901 census. I have tried all night to do it on Ancestry but to no avail.

47 Dorset Street
Parish; St Marylebone
Registration District; Marylebone
County; London, Middlesex

Many thanks.