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But it's all guesswork until we know the details from the marriage cert.

That Daniel is mistranscribed as Camiel in 1871 on Ancestry .


Annie Jenkins
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: Annie Jenkins
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Camiel Jenkins
Mother's Name: Ann Jenkins
Gender: Female
Where born: Mumbles, Glamorganshire, Wales
Civil parish: Oystermouth
Town: Mumbles
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Gower
Sub-registration district: Gower Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 4e
Household schedule number: 186
Piece: 5460
Folio: 69
Page number: 37
Household Members Age Relationship
Camiel Jenkins 60 Head - quarryman
Ann Jenkins 54 Wife
David Jenkins 24 Son
Elizabeth Jenkins 18 Daughter
John Jenkins 14 Son
George Jenkins 13 Son
Annie Jenkins 5 Daughter



Daniel Jenkins
in the Glamorganshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1570-1994
Name: Daniel Jenkins
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Bachelor (Single (Male))
Marriage Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: 1817
Marriage Date: 19 Aug 1838
Marriage Place: Oystermouth, Glamorganshire, Wales
Residence Place: Mumbles
Occupation: Labourer
Father: David Jenkins Jenkins
Spouse: Ann Hoskins
First Witness: Eliza Rogers
Second Witness: Wm Jenkin
Method of Marriage: Banns


JENKINS, GEORGE mmn HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 565

JENKINS, JOHN mmn HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1856 D Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 485

JENKINS, ELIZABETH mmn HOSKIN
GRO Reference: 1852 M Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 11A Page 410

I don't see Annie's birth .


She's not with her widowed mother in 1881:

Ann Jenkins
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: Ann Jenkins
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where Born: Landamore, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil Parish: Oystermouth
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: 16 Castleton Cottages
Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower)
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Registration District: Swansea
Sub registration district: Gower Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 5367
Folio: 38
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Jenkins 66
Emily Jenkins 27
John Jenkins 24
George Jenkins 22
Daniel Jenkins 42 - nephew

The only Annie Jenkins with right birth year and father Daniel in 1871 is in Oystermouth, Gower

??? Just a suggestion:

Marriages Jun 1889 (>99%)
Jenkins Annie Elizabeth Merthyr T. 11a 881
Jones William Merthyr T. 11a 881

to add to ErikaH's questions about the marriage cert -

what was Daniel's occupation?

This birth would fit the DOB stated in 1939 (1939 posted on page 1 ):

JENKINS, ANNIE ELIZABETH mmn WELLS
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 11A Page 125


However, this looks like that child's death:

Annie E Jenkins
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Annie E Jenkins
Age: 0
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Death Registration Place: Pontypool, Monmouthshire, United Kingdom
Death Date: Mar 1866
Inferred Death Place: Monmouthshire, United Kingdom
Volume: 11a
Page: 106

So WHO are you actually researching?
And what is the DATE of the marriage, and its LOCATION, and HOW OLD were the bride and groom

Update : When I posted this question two years ago I gave Annies Maiden name as Davies . Been doing more research and have found records and mariage cerificate that show her maiden name was Jenkins , Father Daniel Jenkins .
Apologies for leading anyone up the wrong tree. .The Davies records are correct for my family ,but still don't know if Annie was a relation of theirs .

Unfortunately the lack of recent replies shows that we are just as stuck as you are!

Still stuck on this . Where should I look now . :-S

Can't find Annie and William Jones in1891 :-|

Had a Birth Certificate for Mary Jane Davies 1888 Bridgend Father John Davies Mother Elizabeth Davies Maiden Name Davies :-S
I don't think the marriage certificates would be much more help as I still wouldn't know which one was right.Maesteg is a fair distance from Leominster ,but my mother's grandfather grew up in Bridgend married in DEVON :-0 then lived in Maesteg (. His wife's family originally came from Devon.)

This one?

Marriages Dec 1888 (>99%)
DAVIES Anne Leominster 6a 1087
Jones William Leominster 6a 1087

A long way from Maesteg, and no middle initial for Annie/Anne.

But not necessarily saying it's wrong - needs more investigation.
Is that one of the certs you've sent for?

William Jones and Annie Davies married in December 1888

ordering a couple of certificates . will see if that gets anywhere.

The Ancestry trees also say that Norman was aka Bond - just to complicate things even more!

They claim that his father was a travelling showman named Richard Page, and his mother was unknown.
Richard Page apparently was working in Bridgend on 13/10/1905 - proof presumably is info on the marriage cert to Mary Jane, though the trees don't say so.

For Richard Page, whom they claim was born c1860, they show Scottish censuses for 1851 - 71 - but for a William Page born 1848.
So hardly trustworthy.

They (at least one of them) show young Richard Charles as the son of both Mary Jane and Florence!

They say that Norman was born 1881, and show the travel record as proof - but that clearly shows his age as 28 in 1914.

The Norman who married a Mary Jane in 1905 was a coalminer - so unlikely to be the clerk in 1914?

Looks like Norman, a clerk, in 1914:

Norman Page
in the UK, Incoming Passenger Lists, 1878-1960
Name: Norman Page
Arrival Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1886
Port of Departure: Buenos Aires, Argentina
Arrival Date: 14 Oct 1914
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montevideo; Santos; Rio de Janeiro; Pernambuco; Madeira; Leixoes; Lisbon; Vigo
Ship Name: Araguaya
Shipping Line: Royal Mail Steam Packet Company
Official Number: 120716

The only thing that bothers me about the Norman Page scenario is that if he married Mary Jane in 1905, and they had a son in 1907, why is Norman with Florence in 1911, saying that they'd been married for 5 years ie - since 1906?

Unless his marriage to MJ had broken down at the end of 1906, when she was already pregnant with Richard ?? And perhaps he wasn't actually married to Florence ??

It doesn't help that there are so many Mary Jane Davieses.
Maybe this is a different one.
Maybe Florence's ms was Davies.

The Norman Page marriage is what the Ancestry trees claim - no guarantee that it's correct, without seeing the cert.

it is argyllgran who posted the mmn of Edwards and the wedding between Mary Jane and Norman Page. the census records seem to be right but not sure about the wedding .

Legal adoption didn’t start until c1928, so there were no ‘rules’ as such

As Mary married Williams using the name Davies, it is likely that she conveniently ‘forgot ‘ any previous ceremony. IF. there was one,

You can quite easily look yourself for the death of the alleged first husband