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But what is the DOB on the birth cert for Thomas Gregory Jones?

ADDED: Ah, I see -

Thomas Gregory Jones
in the Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Name: Thomas Gregory Jones
Baptism Age: 0
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 13 Jan 1913 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Baptism Date: 9 Feb 1913
Baptism Place: Griffithstown, Monmouthshire, Wales
Mother: Ellen
Page number: 97

Address: Cordygrie Institute.



Pontypool Workhouse, on north side of Coedygric Road, Griffithstown:

https://www.workhouses.org.uk/Pontypool/

The 1921 census states he is 8 years 6 monthes

What was the birth date of THOMAS GREGORY JONES?

Thanks AG

?? As already suggested on 5 April 2019 - about 9 years later than stated on 1911 census:


Marriages Sep 1915 (>99%)
Davies Mary J Williams Bridgend 11a 1753
Williams Robert Davies Bridgend 11a 1753

Any child born to unmarried Mary Jane Davies would have had the surname Davies at birth

When did the Williams/Davies marriage take place?

It is the right family as that is the right addresss. I know they lived in south parade . They are in 1a in 1921 . When Annie's husband passed away, she went to live with my grandmother (her adopted daughter ) in number 6 South Parade . My grandmother's husband Stephen Evans signed her death certificate. as her son-in-law .

So, do you have the wrong family in 1921?

Got the birth certificate but it it the wrong one . The mother's name is Ellen Jones . I am looking for a mother Mary Jane Davies who later married a Robert Williams (three years after Thomas was born ) Thomas was adopted by Annie Elizabeth Jones and her husband William Jones .. Which is why I thought he might have the Jones surname . Adoption as unofficial as there were no official adoption records at that time .

I've ordered a copy . It will be interesting .

Birth:

JONES, THOMAS GREGORY -
GRO Reference: 1913 M Quarter in PONTYPOOL Volume 11A Page 331

No mother's maiden name is stated, therefore her surname was Jones, and she wasn't married.

If Jones had been her married surname, her maiden name would have been where that dash is, just after Thomas's name.

GRO website gives mother's maiden names - invaluable, and free to use.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/

You'll need to buy a copy of the birth cert to see his mother's full name.
Just because he's listed as "son" in 1921, doesn't necessarily mean it's true.
Could be a grandson.

Erika, where did you find a record saying illigitimate ? Did it have he parents names ? I thought his mother's maiden name was Davies :-S

Thank you Erika H

The illegitimate birth of Thomas Gregory Jones was registered in JFM Qtr 1913, which fits precisely a date of birth of 25/12/1912

DoB’s on 1939 are as given by the person responsible for supplying data.

I knew that Thomas Jones was a bus driver as my father knew him . I waited for the 2021 census and i have him now with the family . at 1A south Parade Maesteg .thomas gregory Jones The birthdate on the 1939 register is different but I know that dates there are not always correct as I know the birhdays of family members and they are not correct .. Are they possibly registraton dates ?

Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
William Jones Head Male 1863 58 Merthyr, Carmarthenshire, Wales Coal Hewer N N E Ltd
Annie Jones Wife Female 1869 52 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales House Duties -
William Edward Jones Son Male 1888 32 Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales Invalid -
Rosie Jones Daughter Female 1901 19 Maesteg, Glamorganshire, Wales Servant William Evans
Thomas Gregory Jones Son Male 1913 8 Merthyr, Carmarthenshire, Wales School

Oh yes, sorry - I was thinking of Scottish certs.

Mother's name is not on an English/Welsh marriage cert

Was 25/12/12 definitely Rose's brother's DOB - or are you just guessing that the bus driver in Maesteg is the right man?


Yes, I had noticed the Thomas John Jones death you mention.
However, I don't think he's the man who was in Maesteg in 1939.
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Ancestry's "suggestions" are only suggestions, and often nothing to do with the person Ancestry's algorithm tries to link them to - but sometimes they're correct!
For what (if anything) it's worth -

Ancestry "suggests" that the man who died in Ogwr was this one:

Thomas J Jones
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Thomas J Jones
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 25 Dec 1912
Residence Date: 1939
Address: 16 Princes Park Close
Residence Place: Hayes and Harlington, Middlesex, England
Occupation: General Labourer
Line Number: 29
Schedule Number: 270
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: BJBN
Borough: Hayes and Harlington
Registration district: 127/2.
Inferred Spouse:
Amy Jones
Household Members Age
Thomas J Jones 27
Amy Jones 24 - 9 Feb 1915
[And one closed record ]


His suggested marriage:

Thomas J Jones
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: Thomas J Jones
Registration Date: Oct 1935[Nov 1935] [Dec 1935]
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration District: Newport Market
Inferred County: Glamorgan, Gwent, Monmouthshire
Spouse: Amy Edmunds
Volume Number: 11a
Page Number: 567

His possible birth:

JONES, THOMAS JOHN mmn ROSE
GRO Reference: 1913 M Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 1789


Possible marriage of his parents - in which case not your Thomas:

Marriages Dec 1906 (>99%)
Jones William Morris Bridgend 11a 1478
ROSE Elizabeth Bridgend 11a 1478

However, if he was indeed born in Bridgend, this birth would also fit, if his parents were quick to register his birth:

JONES, THOMAS JOHN mmn SAMUEL
GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 1852

There's a suggested remarriage of Amy Jones in Uxbridge in 1963, to Patrick Sherry, and then the death of Amy Sherry ( DOB 9/2/1915) in Hillingdon in 1990.

Possible birth of Amy:

EDMUNDS, AMY mmn GRIFFITHS
GRO Reference: 1915 M Quarter in NEWPORT (MON.) Volume 11A Page 725


Unfortunately, Jones is such a very common name.
And anyway, if correct, the middle name of the Thomas Jones who married Doris began with G.

I have found a death on find my past Thomas John Jones 1979 which gives his birth as 26 /12/1912 Death quater 1 1979 Ogwr Glamorganshire . I know he was adopted by the Jones's as he was Rose's brother . I did have an account with Ancestry but am not with them now .
On Rose's wedding certificate she has her father's name as William Jones And I'm guessing his would be the same . It's worth a try though .