Genealogy Chat

Update-
mother in law remembers that Norma & Beryl originally stayed with grandmother Rogers in Newbury. However, it was decided that there was too much friction amongst the various children. This led the Fitzgeralds to move in with the Franklin’s.

MiL was unaware that the Franklin’s were distantly related

No - We hadn't!! That's really interesting. Although Beryl/Ellen's family were still in Kent, her mother had moved to Newbury.
Curiouser & curiouser.

Blow - it's a 10 min drive away so less likely to be round the corner from Gran.

2nd edit - Alice (Wigmore) Franklin was distantly related to Beryl. Coincidence or not?? :-S

I assume you have this


1939 Register


Franklin Household (4 People)

8 Pound Street , Newbury M.B., Berkshire, England


Albert E Franklin 22 Apr 1888 Male Small Holder & Butcher Married 122 1
Alice Franklin 09 Jun 1888 Female Unapid Dom Duties Married 122 2

Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.

>>>>>Norma Martin (Fidzgerald) 04 Sep 1931 Female At School Single 122 4

Brilliant. Thank you.

In answer to a few queries.
- Her birth reg was in 1904.
- We have her in Mitcham, Surrey 1930-1935 then 1939-1985 (when she died) in Norbury.
- Her only child was born 4 Sep 1931. The employment after marriage refers to the gap between 18 May 1929 & the birth.

Although it's vaguely possible that she went back into Service after then, she had no family support in the area to care for the baby.

We're coming to the conclusion that her tales of Edward & Mrs Simpson were either gleaned from the newspapers of the day or an ex-colleague.

Really appreciate all your help with this. :-D

living at the same address is BERYL ROGERS


London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965


Name: Norman Craig

Year: 1929

County or Borough: Westminster

Ward or Division/Constituency: City of Westminster

Street address: 49 Pimltco Roai

I know you say you have info on her from 1930, but your original post says it wasn't known if she continued to work after her marriage

The 1939 record shows that she wasn't working then

Marriages Jun 1929 (>99%)

Fitzgerald John Rogers St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 1051
Rogers Beryl Fitzgerald St.Geo.H.Sq. 1a 1051

1939
156 Norbury Court Road , Croydon C.B., Surrey, England

Beryl Fitzgerald 01 Sep 1906 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 245 2
John Fitzgerald 01 Nov 1888 Male Clerk (Billing) War Office Married 245 1

A bit undecided about when she was born


1939 for the address from the marriage cert


Carpenter Household (2 People)
49a Pimlico Road , City of Westminster, London, England

Frank P Carpenter 26 Jan 1914 Male Hotel Chef (Trained) Married 9 1
Doris M Carpenter 28 Mar 1913 Female Temporary Shorthand Typist (Civil Service) Married 9 2

This is also allegedly no 49a, but the first occupant's details have been redacted, along with the address info, although no reference is made to the closed record on the transcription

Household (4 People)
49a Pimlico Road , City of Westminster, London, England


Thomas W Godfrey 17 Jul 1896 Male Chauffeur (Courier) - 8 2
Eileen V Godfrey 18 Jun 1901 Female Domestic Duties (Unpaid) Single 8 3
Doris Tedstone (Bruce) 30 Apr 1915 Female Domestic Duties (Unpaid) Single 8 4
Margaret Euler 13 Sep 1896 Female Domestic Cook (Unemployed) Single 8 5

In 1911 it is 49/51 Pimlico road and Henry ralph Shorto a clerk Wholesale grocer he died 1913

1925
49a Georgina and Kennth Maclean
51 Fred Morgan

1930
No 43 Henry and louisa Blake no 49a showing
51 Fred Morgan
Ida Morgan
Marguerite Morgan.

Maryb.

Yes, Shirley, it could have been a house occupied by gentry. It looks quite smart.

She was Ellen Esther Rogers but known as Beryl Rogers. She was born on 1 Sep 1904 & married on 18 May 1929 aged 23.

The Equal Franchise Act was passed on 6 July 1928 which is why we're doubtful of finding her on any ER in either single name. It would have taken time to get a register together, if in fact she chose to.

We do have her listed, married, from 1930 onwards. That's not a problem.

Googling the adress it's a shop with three story's above it

Looks like the side door to the shop is 49a

Wonder if it was a gentry house at one time

She should be listed if she was eligible to vote

What's her name so as to make a start

Online they they searchable by name rather than address

It's very long winded to try and search by address
Just tried and Ancestry wanted to list all Kensington and ignores the address even though it's ticked as only

Come up with over 500.000 names !!

Wonder though if that's the postal address of the workhouse hospital as they used the address on certs because folks objected to any ref to workhouse when they were just having treatment etc in the hospital

The address given on a May 1929 MC is

49a Pimlico road (Pimlico)

Can anyone find the ER please?

Although I'm not expecting the single woman to be listed, can someone work out who does live there? She's working away from home. Although I appreciate that not all years are available, the closest previous one would be of interest.

There's rumours that the girl in question was in Service with Wallis Simpson & that Edward Windsor used to visit via the back door. However, we've worked out that the dates don't gel. Wallis was divorced from her 1st husband Earl Winfield Spencer Jr in Dec 1927 & married Ernest Aldrich Simpson on 21 Jul 1928. According to on line articles, she & Edward VIII didn't meet until 1931. She's unlikely to be on any ER as she & Earl W Spencer were American.

The bride's grandaughter isn't aware if she worked after her marriage. The grandmother's only child was born in Sep 1931.

Thank you.