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Although it's already been posted on the other thread, and I don't like having to repeat info - but to recap for our reference;

this is what you know is definite -

Name: John James Watt (Labourer, Tarbock Street)
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 28
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Year: abt 1887
Marriage Date: 26 Feb 1915
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: John James Watt (Corn Porter)
Spouse: Elizabeth Hamer

We have then assumed that this is that John James's baptism:

Baptism:
Name: John James Watt
Age: 0
Birth Date: 2 Nov 1886
Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1887
Abode 39 Wye Street
Baptism Place: Everton, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Father: John James Watt (warehouse Keeper)
Mother: Kate Watt



And his parents' marriage:

Marriages Sep 1878 (>99%)
Hanaberry Catherine Liverpool 8b 259
WATT James Liverpool 8b 259

Various other records re the Watt/Hanaberry family on the other thread.

1901 census says that the James Watt who married Catherine Hanaberry was born in Belfast.
We have not found him on censuses before his marriage.

If he didn't move to England until after 1871, we won't find him on any earlier census.




Again on the other thread, Maddie suggested this as a possibility for his birth - but we have no proof that this is the correct one:

???????
Irish Birth/Baptism Records – Co. Antrim & Co. Down, c. 1660-1930

First Name Surname Year Father's First Name County
James Watt 1860 Thomas Antrim

The censuses and his marriage cert say he was born about 1854-6. He may have been baptised aged 4 or 5 - but we don't know.

hi to all who have helped with my search I still cant find Thomas watt the ones that have mentioned don't seem to be right it might help if I find john james watt sn 23 on marriage cert on census he was born Belfast thankyou all erika

hi Maddie its me again you have no need to say sorry I have been looking through all threads what if my john james 1886 I know his father was john james as on marriage certificate of hamer and jj watt 1915 what if the hanaberry is the wrong one as it states on their marriage1878 that his name is james I was concerned about him as he goes all through life as james are there any outher marriages that I could look at if hanabery is wrong I would not know where to start as that was where I got the irish link a great big thankyou for all your time nutty Erika

Related thread, already giving some of the above records:

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1375818

To find connections on here, look in 'search all member trees'

the 1861 may not be correct family
this is the daughter jane

WATTS, JANE CHARLOTTE CASEY
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 496 Name: Jane Charlotte Watts
Age: 0
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1849
Baptism Date: 4 Mar 1849
Baptism Place: St Peter's Priory, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Father: Thomas Watts
Mother: Anne Watts

Name: Thomas Watts shoemaker
[Thomas Watt]
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: Full Age
Event Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 9 Nov 1846
Marriage Place: Liverpool, St Nicholas, Lancashire, England
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Father: John Watts
Spouse: Ann Casey

sorry

hi Maddie so Thomas married 1853 to anne rogers and his father was Robert they married Ireland I am more than amazed thankyou erika

records from ancestry and fmp

hi Maddie just found your last post for Thomas and ann how do you find them I am amazed been searching for weeks thankyou cant wait to tell hubby xxx

hi Maddie the 1891 is lead I have been following I think your right he has dropped the john 1901 it has him born in Belfast so how can I find his father Thomas watt when I don't know anything else about him erika thankyou

1861 ?????
Name: Thomas Watts
[Thomas Watt]
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ann Watts
Gender: Male
Where born: Dublin, Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 10f
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 175
Piece: 2676
Folio: 20
Page Number: 34
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Watts 33 dublin , a bootmamer
Ann Watts 32
James Watts 8
Jane Watts 11
Mary J Watts 5
Thomas Watts 6/12
Ellen Watts 3

Name: Thomas Watt
Gender: Male
Marriage Date: 28 Feb 1853
Marriage Place: Drumglass, Tyr, Ire
Father: Robert Watt
Spouse: Anne Rodgers
FHL Film Number: 101346
Reference ID: 2:3F5FLPQ

hi Maddie as far as we think its the right one my husband Robert watt 1952 his father francis watt 1926 his father john james watt married Elizabeth hamer 1915 I know that's right as Elizabeth was my husband grandmother the john james who married Elizabeth his father was called john james also thanks erika

brother
Franciscus
Last name Watt
Birth year 1883
Birth date 30 Apr 1883
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 26 Jan 1887
Church Our Lady of Immaculate Conception
Parish Liverpool, Our Lady of Immaculate Conception
Diocese Liverpool
Father's first name(s) Joannis Jacobi
Mother's first name(s) Catherinae
Mother's last name Henneberry
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office

but

Thomas
Last name Watt
Birth year 1881
Birth date 02 Jul 1881
Baptism year 1881
Baptism date 07 Dec 1881
Church St Mary, Highfield Street
Parish Liverpool, St Mary, Highfield Street
Diocese Liverpool
Father's first name(s) Jacobi
Mother's first name(s) Catharinae
Mother's last name Whittaker -------------
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 282/HIG/1/12
Document type Baptisms
Records year range 1871-1882

must be mistranscribed

WATT, THOMAS HANABERRY
GRO Reference: 1881 S Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 08B Page 88

1891

Name: John James Watt
Gender: Male
Age: 4
Relationship: Son
Birth Year: 1887
Mother: Catherine Watt
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Residence Place: Liverpool, Everton, Lancashire, England
Sub registration district: North Everton
ED, Institution or Vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 2952
Folio: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Catherine Watt 31
Thomas Watt 9
Francis Watt 8
John James Watt 4

is this his baptism

John James
Last name Watt
Birth year 1886
Birth date 02 Nov 1886
Baptism year 1887
Baptism date 26 Jan 1887
Baptism place Everton, St Peter
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence 39 Wye ST
Father's first name(s) John James
Father's occupation Warehouse Keeper
Mother's first name(s) Kate
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-PTR-2-6
Register type Baptisms
Register year range 1886-1892
Page 9

JOHN JAMES
Last name WATT
Birth year 1887
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Hanaberry
District West Derby
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 318
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

has father john james may have drpped the john when he married

no other watt / hanaberry marriage has come up

hi Maddie information correct james full name john james that's the information I have been working on unless I have gone wrong he had a son called john james 1887 do you think I have got the wrong marriage oops help thankyou for taking time to read post erika

for ref but husband is James

Catherine
Last name Hanaberry
Age 19
Birth year 1859
Marital status Spinster
Year 1878
Marriage year 1878
Marriage date 19 Aug 1878
Place Liverpool, St Peter
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Croston Court
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Hanagher
Father's occupation Labourer
Spouse's first name(s) James
Spouse's last name Watt
Spouse's age 23
Spouse's birth year 1855
Spouse's occupation Labourer
Spouse's marital status Bachelor
Spouse's residence Croston Court
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Watt
Spouse's father's occupation Gardener
Witness 1 Edward Murray
Witness 2 Eleanor Hevery
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-PET-3-90
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1878-1879
Record set Lancashire Banns & Marriages

james details

James
Last name Watt
Age 23
Birth year 1855
Occupation Labourer
Marital status Bachelor
Year 1878
Marriage year 1878
Marriage date 19 Aug 1878
Place Liverpool, St Peter
Denomination Church Of England
Diocese Liverpool
Residence Croston Court
Father's first name(s) Thomas
Father's last name Watt
Father's occupation Gardener
Spouse's first name(s) Catherine
Spouse's last name Hanaberry
Spouse's age 19
Spouse's birth year 1859
Spouse's marital status Spinster
Spouse's residence Croston Court
Spouse's father's first name(s) Thomas
Spouse's father's last name Hanagher
Spouse's father's occupation Labourer
Witness 1 Edward Murray
Witness 2 Eleanor Hevery
County Lancashire
Country England
Archive
Liverpool Record Office
Archive reference 283-PET-3-90
Register type Marriages
Register year range 1878-1879

1881
James Watt
Age: 25
Estimated birth year: abt 1856
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Catherine Watt
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 10 Croston Court
Marital status: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Weight Taker (Weigher)
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors:
Piece: 3610
Folio: 18
Page Number: 30
Household Members:
Name Age
James Watt 25
Catherine Watt 22
Ellen Watt 1

looking for Thomas watt 1835c had son john james 1855c married to Catherine hanabery in 1878 in Liverpool if anyone still reseaching watt I would be glad to hear from you thanks to all Erika watt