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the Sarah Jane Morrison daughter of Francis & Sarah b 1841 buried Oldham 20 December 1842 - address as 1841 censu

I have received an e mail from Oldham archives and this is their reply.

Unfortunately, the Oldham Chronicle and Oldham Standard newspapers only came into being in the mid 1850's, so we have not been able to search them. I did notice that underneath the entry for Esther Morrison in the England and Wales Criminal Registers that a Sarah Morrison aged 44 was charged with receiving stolen goods. She was also committed to 4 months imprisonment. Could she be Esher's mother?

Sarah was Esthers mother and maybe she was also jailed as she received the goods Esther stole.

Thank you for that. I’ve just sent an e mail to the archives at Oldham so I will see if they come up with anything.

The 1841 census was supposed to reflect the night of 6 June 1841

There’s no obvious newspaper report listed on Findmypast although there could be one in a small local paper. You could contact Oldham local studies & Archives. They might request a search fee

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Thank you all for your replies. I haven’t had time to study them all as yet but will do so shortly.
Found the larceny conviction for Esther interesting as I knew nothing of this. I’ve tried to look in the records for the prison and there seems to be 3 available at Wigan, Liverpool and Lancaster but I haven’t the knowledge to look in them. Does anyone think there would be a newspaper report? As she lived in Oldham I suppose Wigan jail would be the nearest.
I only know she was born in Lancashire, married in Manchester and died in Oldham.
In 1841 she lived in Oldham and was included in the 1841 census. Don’t know what date the census was taken but she wasn’t in jail at the time.

death index

MORRISON, FRANCIS 43
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 597

are you sure this is your francis

FRANCIS
Last name MORRISON
Gender Unknown ###############
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1849
District Oldham
County Lancashire
Volume 20
Page 597
Country England

in the England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-189

Name: Esther Morrison
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1825
Date of Trial: 25 Oct 1841
Trial Year: 1841
Location of Trial: Lancashire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

4 months imp for larcecy

Name: Esther Morrison
Marriage Date: 3 Jun 1844
Parish: Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's name: Francis Morrison ---- a painter
Spouse's name: John Edgar
Spouse's Father's Name: John Edgar
Archive Roll: 710

DIAMOND
Last name MORRISON
Gender Female
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year -
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1862
District Oldham
County Lancashire
Volume 8D
Page 420

Baptism: 18 Nov 1838 St Peter, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Jonathan Morison - Son of Francis Morison & Sarah
Abode: Great Bolton
Occupation: Painter
Baptised by: M. Argles Curate
Register: Baptisms 1837 - 1839, Page 198, Entry 1584
Source: LDS Family Search

1861
Marsh Square, Oldham, Lancashire, England
James Morrison Head Unmarried Male 24 1837 Mechanic Labourer Wigan, Lancashire, England
Jonathan Morrison Brother Unmarried Male 22 1839 Plumber And Glazier Oldham, Lancashire, England
Sarah J Morrison Niece - Female 15 1846 - Oldham, Lancashire, England ################

1842

n the Manchester, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985
address west street
Name: Francis Morrison
Gender: Male
Parish as it Appears: Oldham
Spouse: Sarah Morrison
Child: Sarah Jane Morrison
Reference Number: GB127.L185/1/4/11

Another possibility for his birth:

MORRISON, JOHN mms HOWARD
GRO Reference: 1838 M Quarter in ASHTON AND OLDHAM Volume 20 Page 111


EDIT:

No, I think that's this child:

John Morrison
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: John Morrison
Gender: Male
Baptism Date: 13 May 1838
Baptism Place: Saint Michael,Ashton Under Lyne,Lancashire,England
Father: James Morrison
Mother: Anne
FHL Film Number: 547824

So is John, birth reg 1839 quoted above, the same person as Sarah's brother, was he known as Jonathan or was his birth not registered??

Manchester, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1915

Name: Jonathan Morrison
Baptism Date: 18 Nov 1838
Baptism Place: Bolton-le-Moors, St Peter, Lancashire, England
Parish as it Appears: Bolton-le-Moors
Father: Francis Morrison << occ painter
Mother: Sarah Morrison

Abode Great Bolton

Not sure if the previous baptism, or family, is correct. Will leave for other's consideration.

Manchester, England, Church of England Deaths and Burials, 1813-1985

Name: Francis Morrison
Gender: Male
Parish as it Appears: Oldham
Spouse: Sarah Morrison
Child: Sarah Jane Morrison <<<<
Reference Number: GB127.L185/1/4/11

Buried 18 Dec 1842 in 2nd year. Residence Cannon Street.

How have you worked back to Sarah Morrison? Perhaps we could have a look to ensure you have the correct family?

I don't see the death of any Sarah Morrison in Oldham in 1850.

There was one in Manchester, and one in Liverpool, but none in Oldham.

Could this be John's birth??

From http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/birthsearch.php

Lancashire Birth indexes for the years: 1839
Surname Forename(s) Mother's Maiden Name Sub-District Registers At
MORRISON John LOWE Ashton Wigan & Leigh

EDIT - may be incorrect. See post timed at 25 Feb 2019 23:59
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1851 Census - Mother Sarah
Sarah Morrison
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Dublin, Ireland
Civil Parish: Oldham Below Town
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
Town: Oldham
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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ED, institution, or vessel: 1d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 2240
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Morrison 44 - widow
Diamond Morrison 21 - son, b Leicestershire, occ painter
Francis Morrison 18
James Morrison 15
Jonathan Morrison 13
Sarah Jane Edger 5 - Grandaughter

1841?

Name: Sarah Morris
[Sarah Morrison]
Age: 6weeks
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Prestwich Cum Oldham
Hundred: Salford
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address:

Registration district: Ashton and Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham below Town

Piece: 547
Book: 10
Folio: 20
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Fredine Morris 36 - Painter
Sarah Morris 36
Esther Morris 16
Wm Morris 14
Diamond Morris 11
Frederic Morris 8
Jas Morris 5
Jonn Morris 2
Sarah Morris 6weeks

All born in county

Have you found the family on any census? There is a possibility that her birth wasn't registered as it didn't become compulsory until the mid 1870's.

Bearing in mind the Oldham connection, is this relevant?

Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911
Name: Sarah Jane Morrison
Baptism Date: 1 Aug 1841
Parish: Oldham, Lancashire, England
Father: Francis Morrison
Mother: Sarah Morrison
Register Type: Bishop's Transcripts
Reference Number: Drm/2/247

Father a painter. Residence Shore Brow

I wonder if anyone can help find the maiden name of the mother of Sarah.

Her father was Francis Morrison born in Lancashire 1806 and died in Oldham 1849.
Her mother I believe was Sarah maiden name unknown but I think she was born in Dublin about 1807 and died in Oldham 1859. Sarah the child was born in Lancashire 1841c and died in Oldham 1850. I don’t know where and when her parents married but the first child Esther was born in Lancashire 1825c
Many thanks