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I guessed she wasn't a widow - hence my comment

Thanks for the confirmation

Thanking you for your prompt reply Frederick Louis Harding dob 17th May 1914 this is correct l would like to know his mother and father as he was given to some relation in Chatteris when he was only 2 years old we do not know why this was some people say his parents died but l do not think this is the case when he was 14 years old 2 gentlemen came to the door to give him money people say this was because his father was in the police and it was some kind of insurance money. l would like to thank you so much for all the hard work you have done on this and all l need is who was his mother and father and what happened for his to be placed in Chatteris Cambridge Thanking you Virginia Harding with a little knowledge on Geneology

The only sure way to identify his parents is to get a copy of his birth certificate

When you do that, come back and we’ll try to progress things for you

At least then we will be working with facts .

BUT his first name was ALFRED!

Is this your Frederick marrying in 1938?:

Marriages Jun 1938
Harding Alfred L Plumb March 3b 1567
Plumb Irene Harding March 3b

If so then Erika H has already posted this information:


Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
Harding Alfred L Porter Lambeth 1d 759

NB............NOT Frederick

Name: Alfred Louis Harding
Death Age: 81
Birth Date: 17 May 1914
Registration Date: Jan 1996
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Register Number: A42C
District and Subdistrict: 3311A


1939

Name: Alfred L Harding
Gender: Male
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 17 May 1914
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 1
Residence Place: Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
Occupation: Farmers Lorry Driver
Schedule Number: 80
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: TCAA
Registration district: 185/1
Inferred Spouse: Irene Harding
Household Members:
Name
Alfred L Harding
Irene Harding

That matches the 1939 I posted on page one

The birth cert is the only way to go

Erika also posted this earlier:

Name: Mabel Bertha Harding
Death Date: 17 Jan 1949
Death Place: Glamorgan
Probate Date: 24 Mar 1949
Registry: Gloucester, England

DEATH:
Name: Mabel B Harding
Death Age: 73
Birth Date: abt 1876
Registration Date: Mar 1949
Registration district: Bridgend
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 8b
Page: 38

Details for Probate:
Harding Mabel Bertha of Byrn-y-Mor Cottage 21 Clevis Hill Newton Porthcawl Glamorganshire widow died 17th January 1949 Probate Gloucester 24th March to Annie Beatrice Porter

From Ancestry - couldn't look there before



Birth
17 May 1914 • Lambeth, London
3 Sources
1914

(AGE)

Death of Mother Ethel Porter(1890–1915)
27 MAR 1915 • Lambeth, London, United Kingdom
1915

Death of Father Fred Harding(1891–1915)
10 May 1915 • Lambeth, London

And NOW - with factual info to work on

The marriage - in Cambridgeshire

Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)

HARDING Fred N. Witchford 3b 1267
PORTER Ethel N. Witchford 3b 1267


Alfred had siblings

Death of Brother Eric Algenon Harding(1910–1977)
13 June 1977 • Peterborough, Cambridgeshire, England
1977

63

Death of Sister Everelda Harding(1911–1995)
Aug 1995 • Cambridge, Cambridgeshire, England


First name(s) ERIC ALGERNON
Last name HARDING
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month 5
Birth year 1909
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1977
District Peterborough
County Northamptonshire
Volume 9
Page 1158
Country England

Getting somewhere now

1911 Census For England & Wales
Pound Road Chatteris Cambridgeshire, Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England

Annie Maltman Head Married Female 44 1867 - Cambs March
Beatrice Porter Daughter Single Female 22 1889 Cook Domestic Cambs Chatteris
Ethel Harding Daughter Married Female 20 1891 - Cambs Chatteris*************
Alfred Porter Son Single Male 18 1893 Waterham On Baye Cambs Chatteris
Robert Porter Son Single Male 16 1895 Farm Labourer Cambs Chatteris
Walter Porter Son Single Male 14 1897 Farm Labourer Cambs Chatteris
George Porter Son Single Male 11 1900 School Cambs Chatteris
Daisy Porter Daughter Single Female 10 1901 School Cambs Chatteris
John Maltman Daughter Single Male 7 1904 School Cambs Chatteris
Annie Maltman Daughter Single Female 4 1907 - Cambs Chatteris
Clara Maltman Daughter Single Female 27 1884 - Cambs Chatteris
Eric Harding Grandson - Male 0 1911 - Cambs Chatteris


EDITED For once, an Ancestry tree is accurate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So - ignore completely all the names in the original post, as none of them is relevant.

Deaths Jun 1915 (>99%)
Harding Fred 23 Lambeth 1d 273

Deaths Mar 1915 (>99%)
HARDING Ethel 23 Lambeth 1d 551

HARDING, EVERIELDER PORTER
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 892

Virginia

May I give you a tip..................

When you ask for help, say exactly what you need to know.

If you'd said you wanted to know about Alfred in the first place, you'd probably have had all the correct info a couple of days ago

You've obviously tried researching, which is to your credit, but you've latched on to completely unconnected people.

But it was interesting for me researching - even though they weren't the right people .................lol!

Fred's parents


Lewis Harding
1861–1925

Eliza Ann Richards
1860–1896

And his birth

HARDING, FREDERICK RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1891 S Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 545

Parents' marriage

Marriages Dec 1881 (>99%)

HARDING Louis N. Witchford 3b 1247
RICHARDS Annie N. Witchford 3b 1247

Name: Lewis Harding
Gender: Male
Age: 29
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1862
Spouse: Eliza Ann Harding
Child: William Harding
Flora Harding
George Harding
Arthur Lewis Harding
Birth Place: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Doddington
Residence Place: Doddington, Doddington, Cambridgeshire, England
Sub registration district: Chatteris
ED, Institution or Vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1300
Folio: 154
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Harding 29
Eliza Ann Harding 30
William Harding 10
Flora Harding 8
George Harding 9
Arthur Lewis Harding 5
John Roweth 22

Fred's mother's death

Deaths Dec 1896 (>99%)
Harding Eliza Ann 37 N. Witchford 3b 340

1901
Name: Lewis Harding
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1862
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Sarah Harding
Birth Place: Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England
Civil Parish: Doddington
Ecclesiastical parish: Doddington St Mary
Town: Doddington
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Registration district: North Witchford
Sub-registration district: Chatteris
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1549
Folio: 10
Page Number: 12
Household schedule number: 84
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Harding 39
Sarah Harding 43
Lewis Harding 15
Fred Harding 9
Walter Harding 6
Arthur Porter 40

Father's re-marriage

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Harding Lewis N. Witchford 3b 1285
Wimbs Sarah N. Witchford 3b 1285

Sarah's death

Name: Sarah Harding
Estimated birth year: abt 1859
Registration Year: 1905
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 46
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 309

Name: Lewis Harding
Birth Date: 1863
Birth Place: Cambridgeshire, England
Death Date: 10 Aug 1925
Death Place: Cambridgeshire, England
Cemetery: Parochial Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Chatteris, Fenland District, Cambridgeshire, England

Name: Lewis Harding
Death Date: 10 Aug 1925
Death Place: Cambridgeshire, England
Probate Date: 28 Nov 1925
Registry: Peterborough

Probate to Lewis and Walter (sons)

Name: Everelda Harding
Residence Year: 1935
Street address: Scroope Terrace 8
Residence Place: Cambridgeshire, England


Name: Everelda Harding
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1936
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Spouse: Frank G Neaves
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 1325


Name: Everelda Neaves
Gender: Female
Marital status: Married
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1911
Residence Year: 1939
Address: Lotfield Street
Residence Place: South Cambridgeshire, Cambridgeshire, England
Occupation: Unpaid Domestic Duties
Schedule Number: 132
Sub Schedule Number: 2
Enumeration District: TBKY
Registration district: 181-3
Inferred Spouse: Frank G Neaves
Household Members:
Name
Frank G Neaves
Everelda Neaves

Name: Everalda Neaves
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 13 Sep 1911
Registration Date: Aug 1995
Registration district: Cambridge
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Register Number: A41C
District and Subdistrict: 3311A

Frank and Everelda had 4 children Look for details on freebmd - too recent to post on here

Fred's father married a third time

Name: Naomi Hills
Registration Year: 1907
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 1324
Records on Page:
Name
Lewis Harding
Naomi Hills

1911
Name: Lewis Harding
Age in 1911: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Glasmose Whittlsey
Civil Parish: Chatteris
County/Island: Cambridgeshire
Country: England
Street address: Mount Pleasant Farm, Chatteris, Cambs
Marital status: Married
Occupation: Farm Foreman
Registration district: North Witchford
Registration District Number: 185
Sub-registration district: Chatteris
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 147
Piece: 9247
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Harding 48
Naomi Harding 50
Walter Harding 15
Anne Hills 21
Charles Hills 18
Ada Hills 14
Haris Hills 12
Ivey May Hills 10
Aarthur Randell 32
William Emeary 53
Joseph Benstead 29
Joe Smith 26

She outlived him
Name: Naomi Harding
Death Date: 8 Mar 1947
Death Place: Cambridgeshire, Cambridge, England
Probate Date: 26 Mar 1947
Registry: Peterborough
Probate to Emma Sansom and Herbert Hills

1939

Sansom Household (6 People)
Horseway Farm , Chatteris U.D., Cambridgeshire, England


Naomi Harding 06 Apr 1860 Female Domestic Duties Widowed 64 6
Arthur Sansom 21 Feb 1885 Male Agricultural Foreman Married 64 1
Emma Sansom 12 Jan 1884 Female Unpaid Domestic Dutie Married 64 2
Reginald A Sansom 01 Oct 1910 Male Agricultural Tractor Driver Married 64 3
Margery E Sansom 24 Jan 1916 Female Land Worker Married 64 4

Possibly Ethel Porter in 1891 census:

England and Wales Census, 1891
Name: Alfred Porter
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1891
County: Cambridgeshire
Parish: Chatteris
Ecclesiastical Parish: CHATTERIS
Registration District: North Witchford
Residence Note: Bridge Street
Gender: Male
Age: 24
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Agricultural Laborer
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Birth Year (Estimated): 1867
Birthplace: Epping, Essex, England
Page Number: 9
Registration Number: RG12
Piece/Folio: 1300/ 127

Head
Male
24
Epping, Essex, England
Annie Porter
Wife
Female
26
March, Cambridgeshire, England
Ada Porter
Daughter
Female
2
Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England
Ethel Porter<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Daughter
Female
0
Chatteris, Cambridgeshire, England


and 1901 census:

Ethel Porter
England and Wales Census, 1901
Name Ethel Porter
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Chatteris (Isle Of Ely), Cambridgeshire, England
County Cambridgeshire
Civil Parish Chatteris (Isle Of Ely)
Ecclesiastical Parish St Peter Chatteris
Sub-District Chatteris
Registration District North Witchford
Residence Note Bridge Street
Gender Female
Age 11
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Birth Year (Estimated) 1890
Birthplace Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Schedule Type 117
Page Number 18

Alfred Porter Head M 34 Epping, Essex
Annie Porter Wife F 35 March, Cambridgeshire
Horace Porter Son M 16 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Ada Porter Daughter F 12 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Ethel Porter Daughter F 11 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Alfred Porter Son M 7 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Robert Porter Son M 6 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
Walter Porter Son M 4 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire
George Porter Son M 1 Chatteris, Cambridgeshire


Possible death for Alfred:

Deaths Dec 1901
Porter Alfred 34 N. Witchford 3b 319


Possible 2nd marriage for Annie:

Marriages Mar 1903

Jackson John Maltman N. Witchford 3b 763
Porter Annie N. Witchford. 3b 763

and recorded in the above 1911 census posted by Erika as ANNIE MALTMAN

ADDED:
Not Annie's 2nd mariage in 1903 but possibly her 3rd

Birth reg for Ethel (records MMN Long:

PORTER, ETHEL MMN LONG
GRO Reference: 1890 S Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 534

Possible 1st marriage for Annie:
Marriages Jun 1883
CHAPMAN George N. Witchford 3b 951<<<<<<<<
HAWKINS Alice N. Witchford 3b 951
LONG Annie N. Witchford 3b 951 <<<<<<<<
Wilson Edward N. Witchford 3b 951

Possible death for George:
Deaths Dec 1885
Chapman George 24 N. Witchford 3b 385

Possible 2nd marriage for Annie:

Marriages Mar 1888
CHAPMAN Annie N. Witchford 3b 688
PORTER Alfred N. Witchford 3b 688

Brother Eric's Probate

Name: Eric Algernon Harding
Death Date: 13 Jun 1977
Death Place: Chatteris Cambs
Probate Date: 12 Dec 1977
Registry: Ipswich


1939

Harding Household (7 People)
Holme Station Street , Chatteris U.D., Cambridgeshire, England


Eric A Harding 26 May 1910 Male Farmers Managing Clerk & Cashier Married 226 3
Brian W Harding 14 Jan 1938 Male Under School Age Single 226 1
Colin A Harding 06 Sep 1928 Male At School Single 226 2
Sorry, this record is officially closed. Check if you can open a closed record.
Olive Harding 17 Aug 1908 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 226 5
Percy Harding 19 Jul 1932 Male At School Single 226 6
Roland Harding 21 Feb 1930 Male At School Single 226 7

Marriage

Name: Eric A Harding
Registration Date: Apr-May-Jun 1928
Registration district: North Witchford
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Spouse: Olive Papworth
Volume Number: 3b
Page Number: 1357

Possible children of Annie and George:

CHAPMAN, LYDIA LONG
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 634

Death:
CHAPMAN, LYDIA aged 0
GRO Reference: 1883 J Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 378



CHAPMAN, HARRY LONG
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 613 Order


Possible 1891 census for Harry:


William Long
England and Wales Census, 1891
Name William Long
Event Type Census
Event Date 1891
County Cambridgeshire
Parish March
Ecclesiastical Parish ST JOHN
Registration District North Witchford
Residence Note West End
Gender Male
Age 51
Marital Status Married
Occupation Agricultural Labourer
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1840
Birthplace Cambridgeshire, England
Page Number 7
Registration Number RG12
Piece/Folio 1301/ 96
Household

William Long Head M 51 Cambridgeshire, England
Betsy Long Wife F 51 Cambridgeshire, England
Harry Chapman Grandson M 7 Cambridgeshire, England<<<<<<<<<<



Possible 1881 census??
William Long
England and Wales Census, 1881
Name William Long
Event Type Census
Event Date 1881
Event Place March, Cambridgeshire, England
Registration District North Witchford
Gender Male
Age 40
Marital Status Married
Occupation Ag Lab
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Birth Year (Estimated) 1841
Birthplace March, Cambridgeshire, England
Page Number 10
Registration Number RG11
Piece/Folio 1690/91
Affiliate Record Type Household
Household

William Long Head M 40 March, Cambridgeshire, England
Betsy Long Wife F 39 March, Cambridgeshire, England
John Long Son M 18 March, Cambridgeshire, England
Ann Long Daughter F 16 March, Cambridgeshire, England

Possible marriage:

Marriages Sep 1861
Fitzhugh Betsy N Witchford 3b 834a
LONG William N. Witchford 3b 834a