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Did you notice that Thomas's marriage in 1851 was to Mary Ann Hogben, and also listed with the alternative of Mary Jane Hogben ?

So it seems he only had the one wife, sometimes known as Mary Ann and sometimes as Mary Jane.

She's Mary Jane in 1861 (surname Garlinge), and in 1871 and 1881 (surname Fisher) - all posted above.

MMM. Nothing new then.
Its a good one to browse over.
Thanks.

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Thos Garling
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Thos Garling
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sibbertswold
Hundred: Bewsborough
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: Hougham
Neighbors:
Piece: 470
Book: 4
Folio: 4
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Thos Garling 15


Ann Fickes
in the 1841 England Census
Name: Ann Fickes
[Ann Fisher]
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Female
Where born: Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sibbertswold
Hundred: Bewsborough
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: Hougham
Neighbors:
Piece: 470
Book: 4
Folio: 6
Page Number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
William Fickes 35
Ann Fickes 35
Hanah Fickes 11
Mary Fickes 9
Jane Fickes 5
Aliar Fickes 2

Thomas Fisher
in the 1851 England Census
Name: Thomas Fisher
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Anne Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Sibertswold, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sibertswold
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
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County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: Dover
Sub-registration district: St James
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 14
Piece: 1632
Folio: 869
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Anne Fisher 44 - widow
Thomas Fisher 25
Eliza Fisher 11
Robert Fisher 9
George Fisher 6

Thomas Garlinge
in the 1861 England Census
Name: Thomas Garlinge
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Garlinge
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastry, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Barkestone
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Eythorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 17
Piece: 542
Folio: 28
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Garlinge 35
Mary Jane Garlinge 31
Sarah Ann Garlinge 8
George Jas Garlinge 5
Frances Margt Garlinge 2
Jane Eth Garlinge 6/12

Mary Jane Hogben
England Births and Christenings
Name Mary Jane Hogben
Gender Female
Birthplace Eythorn, Kent, England
Birth Date 07 Apr 1830
Father's Name James Hogben
Mother's Name Margaret Hogben

Ah, yes, I see the OP says Thomas's father married Ann Garlinge - so presumably he was Ann's son.

Births of the two older children in 1871:

GARLINGE, FRANCES MARGARET mms HOGBEN
GRO Reference: 1858 S Quarter in EASTRY Volume 02A Page 591

GARLINGE, GEORGE JAMES mms HOGBEN
GRO Reference: 1855 D Quarter in EASTRY Volume 02A Page 567


Mary Jane's first marriage:

Marriages Dec 1851 (>99%)
GARLING Thomas Dover 5 249
HOGBEN Mary Ann Dover 5 249
HOGBEN Mary Jane Dover 5 249

However, I don't see a later marriage to Thomas Fisher.
Perhaps they didn't marry.

Or was Thomas really called Garlinge ???

The two youngest children are registered as Garlinge:

GARLINGE, THOMAS mms HOGBEN
GRO Reference: 1868 J Quarter in EASTRY Volume 02A Page 820

GARLINGE, WILLIAM mmsHOGBEN
GRO Reference: 1870 D Quarter in EASTRY Volume 02A Page 799

Thomas Fisher
mentioned in the record of Thomas Fisher and Mary Jane Tyas
Name Thomas Fisher
Spouse's Name Mary Jane Tyas
Event Date 20 Aug 1864
Event Place Folkestone, Kent, England
Father's Name John Fisher
Spouse's Father's Name Richard Tyas
Marital Status Single
Spouse's Marital Status Single

But she's 40 on the 1871 census.

elham is the district for hythe

Births Jun 1841 (>99%)
TYAS Mary Jane Elham 5 160

Marriages Sep 1864 (>99%)

Fisher Thomas Elham 2a 1226 Scan available - click to view
TYAS Mary Jane Elham 2a 1226

Thomas Fisher
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Thomas Fisher
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relationship to Head: Head
Spouse: Mary J. Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Eastry, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Sibertswold
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 2 Prospect Cottage
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Ag Laborer
Registration district: Dover
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 1005
Folio: 106
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fisher 55
Mary J. Fisher 50
Thomas Fisher 12
William Fisher 10



Thomas Fisher
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Fisher
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Jane Fisher
Gender: Male
Where born: Shepherdswell, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Barkestone
Ecclesiastical parish: Canterbury
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Eastry
Sub-registration district: Eythorn
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 3
Piece: 1002
Folio: 28
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Fisher 46
Mary Jane Fisher 40
George James Fisher 15
Frances Margt Fisher 12
Jane Ethe Fisher 10
Margaret Mary Fisher 7
Mary Jane Fisher 5
Thomas Fisher 2
William Fisher 5 Months

Am I looking at the right 1871 census where the oldest child is 15? Surely that would mean a marriage around 1855?

Can anybody help with the above.
He is in the 1871/1881 census and has a wife Mary Jane who was born in Eythorne, Kent. I can find no marriage record or her surname.
Initially I thought it might be Tyas but a marriage record for 1864 shows Thomas Fishers' father as Richard but the above's father was William who married Ann Garlinge and this Mary Jane Tyas was born in Hythe, Kent. (1861 census).
Any ideas.