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Nudging in the hope that Debbie will acknowledge the latest info

Timothy's YOB varies a lot in censuses.

If his age at death was accurate, he was born in 1837.

ErikaH posted the probate record.

Deaths Sep 1915 (>99%)
Burke Timothy 78 Bridgend 11a 844

His family must have gone from Ireland to Wales between 1841 and 1844.
Only his youngest sister (according to 1851 census) was born in Wales, though I don't see her birth, and there's no sign of them in 1841.

??? This man's a carter.
Perhaps he became a miner later ??


Timothy Burk
in the 1861 Wales Census
Name: Timothy Burk
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish or Township: Llandow
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Cowbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 3
Neighbors:
Piece: 4076
Folio: 71
Page Number: 1
Household Members:
Name Age
Hopkin Hopkin 45
Crisley Hopkin 37
Mary Hopkin 10
Thomas Hopkin 8
Margaret Hopkin 5
Mary Thomas 17
Timothy Burk 20
Edward Griffith 14



EDIT:

Possibly the same man ?

Timothy Burke
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: Timothy Burke
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Nk, Ireland
Civil Parish: Llancarvan
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 82
Piece: 5373
Folio: 63
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
William Jenkins 36
Jane Jenkins 39
Thomas Jenkins 7
Morgan Jenkins 6
Ann Jenkins 3
Catherine J Jenkins 2
Margaret Jenkins 8 Months
Fanny Quick 13
Timothy Burke 26 - farm servant
David Morgan 23

Transcription:
1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Jersy Street, Glyncorrwg, Neath, Glamorganshire,

Jenkin Edwards Head Married Male 28 1863 Coal Miner Glamorganshire, Wales
Siseelia Edwards Wife Married Female 24 1867 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Elizabeth Edwards Daughter Single Female 6 1885 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Benjamin Edwards Son Single Male 4 1887 - Glamorganshire, Wales
Alexander Edwards Son Single Male 1 1890 - Glamorganshire, Wales

You really need Benjamin and Alic's marriage certificate to check the name and occupation of Benjamin's Dad.

This is a possible marriage for his parents BUT there are quite a few Edwards / Howells marriages so this is just a guess and not based on fact.

Marriages Dec 1884 (>99%)
Edwards Jenkin Pontypridd 11a 690
Howells Cecelia Pontypridd 11a 690

Going back to the Edwards side, this looks like Benjamin's birth.


Results:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
EDWARDS, BENJAMIN JAMES HOWELLS Order
GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD Volume 11A Page 392 Order

1911 Census For England & Wales

4 Park Street Blaenogwr Nantymoel, Llandyfodwg, Glamorganshire, Wales
Timothy Burke Head Married Male 71 1840 Retired Colliery Labourer Below Ground -
Mary Burke Wife Married Female 52 1859 - -
John Burke Son Single Male 35 1876 Coal Hewer -
Thomas Burke Son Single Male 19 1892 Coal Hewer -
Sarah Maud Burke Daughter Single Female 15 1896 - -
Olive Burke Daughter - Female 12 1899 -

Note Timothy's age - matches 1851, but he took off a few years in 1881 and 1901

1851

Name: Timothy Burke
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Burke
Mother's name: Mary Burke
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish or Township: Landore
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Registration district: Bridgend
Sub-registration district: Maesteg
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Piece: 2461
Folio: 458
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
William Burke 63
Mary Burke 52
James Burke 15
Timothy Burke 12
Thomas Burke 10
Ellen Burke 23
Mary Burke 19
Margaret Burke 17
Nora Burke 7

Burke Timothy 1837 1915 1915 England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007 Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales


Name: Timothy Burke
Death Date: 4 Aug 1915
Death Place: Glamorgan, Wales
Probate Date: 3 Nov 1915
Registry: London, England

Probate to Mary Burke, widow

Effects £200


Can't see any definite sign of him in 1861 and 1871

Name: Sarah Wallund
[Sarah Wallen]
[Sarah Venn]
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: 1835
Relation: Daughter
Spouse's Name: Robert Wallund
Father's name: William Venn
Mother's name: Mary Venn
Gender: Female
Where born: Cutcombe, Somerset, England
Civil Parish: Cutcombe
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Registration district: Williton
Sub-registration district: Dunster
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 65
Piece: 1602
Folio: 93
Page Number: 11
Household Members:
Name Age
William Venn 83
Mary Venn 63
Sarah Wallund 26
Robert Wallund 40
William Wallund 3
Mary Wallund 2
Elizabeth Wallund 6/12

1871

Kenfig Hill, Tythegston, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales


Robert Wallen Head - Male 56 1815 - Somerset, England
Sarah Wallen Wife - Female 36 1835 - Somerset, England
William Wallen Son - Male 14 1857 - Somerset, England
Mary Wallen Daughter - Female 12 1859 - Somerset, England
Elizabeth Wallen Daughter - Female 10 1861 - Somerset, England
Mathew Wallen Son - Male 8 1863 - Somerset, England
Sarah Ann Wallen Daughter - Female 3 1868 - Glamorgan, Wales
Jane Wallen Daughter - Female 0 1871 - Glamorgan, Wales

BURKE, ANN WALLING
GRO Reference: 1884 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 616

BURKE, DAVID WALLEN
GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 537

Timothy was a few years older than Mary - perhaps he had a wife in Ireland, and wasn't free to marry her.

As ErikaH has said, Alice had no middle name. The "Wallen" is Alice's Mum's maiden surname. At present, I am not seeing a marriage for Timothy Burke and Mary Wallen.

It looks likely that Sarah Wallen is Mary's mother (Alice's grandmother). I'll see if I can find Mary with her Mother and siblings on an earlier census.

Alice had only one forename. Wallen is the MMN

hi there

would i be correct in assuming that sarah wallen is mary burkes mother as marys daughter alice was alice wallen burke ????

cant thank you enough i honestly cant..
keep doing what your doing

thank you..xx

Record Transcription:
1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Aber Houses, Llandyfodog, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales

Timothy Burke Head Married Male 33 1848 Coalminer Ireland
Mary Burke Wife Married Female 23 1858 - Somerset, England
John Burke Son Single Male 3 1878 - Aberkenfig, Glamorganshire, Wales
David Burke Son Single Male 2 1879 - Aberkenfig, Glamorganshire, Wales
Sarah Wallen Boarder Widow Female 46 1835 Servant Domestic Somerset, England
William Wallen Boarder Single Male 24 1857 Coalminer Somerset, England
Matthew Wallen Boarder Single Male 18 1863 Coalminer Somerset, England
Sarah A Wallen Boarder Single Female 12 1869 Scholar Aberkenfig, Glamorganshire, Wales

Thank you so much for the information, especially about violet as i didnt have a clue about her ,, i always assumed it was alice that was from ireland but it was her father. so again news to me.. .

if you have anything else that would help me i would be eternally grateful

thank you once again

debbie xxx

BURKE, ALICE WALLEN Order
GRO Reference: 1888 J Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 614 Order

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
4, Stormy Road, Nantymoel, Llandyfodog, Bridgend, Glamorganshire, Wales

Timothy Burke Head Married Male 52 1849 Coal Miner Ireland
Mary Burke Wife Married Female 40 1861 - Cutcombe, Somerset, England
John Burke Son Single Male 23 1878 Coal Miner Tondu, Glamorganshire, Wales
Annie Burke Daughter Single Female 16 1885 Housemaid (Dom) Nantymoel, Glamorganshire, Wales
Alice Burke Daughter Single Female 13 1888 - Nantymoel, Glamorganshire, Wales
Beatrice Burke Daughter - Female 10 1891 - Nantymoel, Glamorganshire, Wales
Elizabeth Burke Daughter - Female 7 1894 - Nantymoel, Glamorganshire, Wales
Sarah M Burke Daughter - Female 5 1896 - Nantymoel, Glamorganshire, Wales
Thomas Burke Son - Male 9 1892 - Nantymoel, Glamorganshire, Wales
Olive Burke Daughter - Female 2 1899 - Nantymoel, Glamorganshire, Wales
William Llewellyn Boarder Single Male 20 1881 Coal Miner Cowbridge, Glamorganshire, Wales

female name missing here

Marriages Dec 1907 (>99%)
EDWARDS Benjamin James Bridgend 11a 1559
SPEDDING Thomas Bridgend 11a 1559
WILLIAMS Elizabeth Bridgend 11a 1559

First name(s) ALICE
Last name BURKE
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1907
Registration month -

MarriageFinder ™
ALICE BURKE married one of these people
Thomas Spedding, Benjamin James Edwards
District Bridgend
District number -
County Glamorganshire
Country Wales
Volume 11A
Volume as transcribed 11A
Page number 1559
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce
Collections from Great Britain, Wales
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