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I don't see a birth for this child. Could he perhaps be John Henry but known as Lewis ??


Lewis Morgan
in the 1881 Wales Census
Name: Lewis Morgan
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Lantillio Crossenny, Monmouth, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanthewy Rhytherch
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Church F Farm
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Farmers Son
Registration district: Abergavenny
Sub registration district: Llanarth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Piece: 5232
Folio: 40
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Jonathan Davies 53
Mary Davies 52 - Llanwenarth
Mary C. Davies 27
Walter M. Davies 25
Sarah J. Davies 16
William E. Davies 13
Lewis Morgan 9




Mary Davies mms was Morgan - so a relative of Lewis?.

Birth of child Walter:

DAVIES, WALTER MORGAN mms MORGAN
GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in ABERGAVENNY Volume 11A Page 43

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Marriages Dec 1853 (>99%)
Davies Jonathan Abergavenny 11a 113
Morgan Mary Abergavenny 11a 113


Lewis senior (Catherine's husband) was born in Llanwenarth - so a brother of Mary ?

The same couple in 1871:

Catherine Morgan
in the 1871 Wales Census
Name: Catherine Morgan
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Lewis Morgan
Gender: Female
Where born: Grosmont, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llantilio Crossenny
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Monmouth
Sub-registration district: Dingestow
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 34
Piece: 5302
Folio: 77
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Lewis Morgan 37
Catherine Morgan 31
Edwin Lewis 13 - nephew

Possible marriage of parents, if Catherine had been married before.

Right reg district for Grosmont where she was born.

Marriages Mar 1871 (>99%)
GWATKIN Catharine Hereford 6a 712
Morgan Lewis Hereford 6a 712

However, I don't see a Gwatkin / Cath* Price marriage - so maybe not.

Another male child of that couple ?? John Henry ????

Right quarter of right year; right reg district; right mms.

MORGAN, - mms PRICE
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 35

I saw that 1881, safc, but if that's the right Lewis, where is John Henry, who would then have been approx. 7 or 8?

Births of the two children above:

MORGAN, WILLIAM HENRY mms PRICE
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 37

MORGAN, ELIZABETH ANN mms PRICE
GRO Reference: 1878 S Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 35

I'm not seeing the parents' marriage so far.

????


1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Newarthen Cottage, Upper Treshew, Llantillio-Crossenny, Monmouth, Monmouthshire, Wales

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Birth place Occupation
Lewis Morgan Head Married Male 47 1834 Llanwenarth, Monmouthshire, Wales Farmer Of 95 Acres
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Catherine Morgan Wife Married Female 43 1838 Grosmont, Monmouthshire, Wales Farmers Wife
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William Morgan Son Single Male 5 1876 Llantilio Crossenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Farmers Son
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Elizabeth Ann Morgan Daughter Single Female 2 1879 Llantilio Crossenny, Monmouthshire, Wales Farmers Daughter

no john

I am helping out a friend in Australia with this,I will contact and ask for all the details from the cert and get back with update.

Thank you

Do you have the actual marriage cert?
If so, what other info is on it? Address / father's occupation / witnesses?

So far, I'm not seeing him before 1891, nor a birth reg to fit the POB and DOB.

This is the only John Morgan registered Monmouth reg district (which included Llantilio Crossenny) in the right quarter for an April birthday - but no middle name, and 1874, not 1873.

1901 and 1911 both suggest his YOB was c1874.


MORGAN, JOHN mms MORGAN
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in MONMOUTH Volume 11A Page 31

But not seeing a marriage between a Lewis Morgan and another Morgan - at least not in Monmouthshire

Not seeing a Lewis Morgan with son John in 1881..

For our reference:


John Morgan
in the 1891 Wales Census
Name: John Morgan
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Male
Where born: Llantillio Crossenny, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Llanthewy Vach
Ecclesiastical parish: Llanthewy Vach
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub registration district: Llangibby
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors:
Piece: 4365
Folio: 18
Page Number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Watkins 37
Florence M Watkins 4
Cecelia Ware 65
Rosa Beale 15
John Morgan 17



John Morgan
in the 1901 Wales Census
Name: John Morgan
Age in 1901: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Head
Spouse: Rosa Morgan
Gender: Male
Where born: Llantilo Cresseney, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Abersychan
Town: Freehold
Ecclesiastical parish: Trevethin
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Pontypool
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 128
Piece: 4944
Folio: 136
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
John Morgan 27
Rosa Morgan 25
Ada G Morgan 4
Herbert I Morgan 2


Morgan
in the 1911 Wales Census
Name: Morgan
Age in 1911: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Llantillo Cross, Monmouthshire, Wales
Civil Parish: Abersychan
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Old Mill House Pontnewynydd
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1897
Occupation: Haulier, Coal Dealer
Registration district: Pontypool
Registration District Number: 586
Sub-registration district: Pontypool
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Household schedule number: 58
Piece: 31904
Household Members:
Name Age
Morgan 37 - John on image
Rosa Morgan 35
Herbert Morgan 12
Edith Morgan 9
Alfred Morgan 7
Thomas Morgan 4
Winifred Morgan 2
Harriet Williams 60

Iam looking to find the birth record of

John Henry Morgan, according to the 1939 Register his date of birth is 23rd April 1873. living at 76 Osborne Road Pontypool.

He married Rosa Beale in 1896 and his father was listed as Lewis Morgan.

The census records have him in 1891 Llanthewyvach Monmouthshire
John Morgan b 1874c Servant born Llantillio, Crossenny, Monmouthshire. also in house servant Rosa Beale his future wife.

1901 in Trevethin, and 1911 Pontnewydd, both show him as John Morgan born Llantillo,Crossenny.

Thank you for any help.