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Ah now this is very interesting, doesn't mention any change of name though.




READING COUNTY MAGISTRATES' OFFICE.
whereby to purchase leather to make horse collars, * -' he had spent the money in drink. He could easily earn 10s a day. Emma Jane Sewell, daughter of the complainant and defendant, gave similar evidence. , The defendant said that on the day in question
28 June 1884 - Reading Mercury - Reading, Berkshire, England


Basically Thomas Henry was an abusive drunk who beat his wife, who had had 20 children in all. He had thrown his eldest children out of the house, had assaulted his wife again and her daughter had to rescue her and take her next door. Thomas was sent to jail for 2 months and a separation was granted.

It is a long article and Thomas sounds a most unpleasant man who had put his wife and family through many years of hell. He took money off his children, made harnesses and then drank all the money away. Perhaps this would have led to Emma changing her name completely?
Her mother appears to have stayed with Thomas as they are together in 1901. How bizarre! She had not wanted him charged but she did want a separation.

AG I was also thinking that Emily Bristow being born in Dalston must have some significance. Also wondered about the daughter Emma born in Sheffield.

Did not equate Thomas Henry (horse collar maker) with Tom (saddler) but it seems to make sense.

I really think you're on to something here!

Emma Sewell's birthplace on 1871 census says Sheffield, Yorkshire - but maybe that's an assumption by the census clerk.

In 1881 it just says Sheffield.
Evelyn Hood's birthplace is just given as Sheffield in 1911.

For whatever it's worth, when you click on Evelyn's name in the 1911 census, Ancestry suggests that she is Emma Hood, mother of Ivy.
(Not that Ancestry's always right! Far from it.)

You say Edward James Smith wasn't with his family in 1891 - I think you're looking at the wrong man.

Marriages Sep 1882 (>99%)
Ilott Annie Hackney 1b 793
Smith Edward Hackney 1b 793

All the children have mms Ilott.

Edward J Smith
in the 1891 England Census
Name: Edward J Smith
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1858
Spouse: Annie Smith
Child: Florence Smith
Emily L Smith
Albert E Smith
Ellen B Smith
Ada L Smith
Birth Place: Stepney, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: West Ham
Residence Place: Stratford, West Ham, Essex, England
Sub registration district: Stratford
ED, Institution or Vessel: 20
Neighbors:
Piece: 1315
Folio: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward J Smith 33
Annie Smith 32
Florence Smith 7
Emily L Smith 6
Albert E Smith 3
Ellen B Smith 1
Ada L Smith 3/12


Edward J Smith
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Edward J Smith
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Marion Smith
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address:
Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: South Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors:
Piece: 1612
Folio: 113
Page Number: 14
Household schedule number: 95
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward J Smith 43
Marion Smith 35
Albert E Smith 13
Ellen B Smith 11
Ada L Smith 10
Annie C Smith 8
Kate Smith 4


And re-posting 1911:

Edward James Smith
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Edward James Smith
Age in 1911: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Stepney, London, England
Civil Parish: Prittlewell
County/Island: Essex
Country: England
Street address: 17 Bournemouth Pk Rd, Southend
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Engine Driver
Registration district: Rochford
Registration District Number: 195
Sub-registration district: Prittlewell
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Household schedule number: 297
Piece: 10142
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward James Smith 53
Ada Lily Smith 20
Kate Smith 15
Annie Smith 18
Fredick Hott 6 - nephew [Ilott]
Evelyn Hood 38
Reuben Hood 8

Hi again - Could Emma Sewell have gone to prison, are there any Prison Records, and changed her name on release?? Thinking this because Ivy Hood aged 8 was visiting Sims family in 1901 census, with Emily Sewell & Thomas Sewell (Visitors) - grandparents? - no mother there. Also have School Board for London, Sidney Rd School Hackney, 1900, with no parent or guardian name. On 1911 census Evelyn Hood and son Reuben Hood 8, staying with Edward James Smith widower and family Southend on Sea, but on 1891 his children were on census with no head of house - furthermore I found Edward James Smith in prison!!!
By the way Evelyn Hood gave aged 48 on marriage cert to Joseph Gower, which would tie up with her being 76 on death in 1944

Thank you ArgyllGran - think we may have found something! Just looked on map and there is Sheffield Bottom very close to Tilehurst, and Reading Berkshire. Equally Dalston, Stamford Hill and Enfield are very close together. Could be a link with the horse collar maker and saddler!!!
Regards Maureen

Thinking aloud - maybe just a lot of coincidences, but will post them just in case:


Going back to the 1901 census where Ivy (born Dalston) is a visitor to the Sims family.
The other visitors are Emma (nee Bristow,born in Dalston) and Thomas Henry Sewell.

Thomas (Tom ??) is a horse collar maker - close to being a saddler?

Emma and Thomas Henry have a daughter Emma - born 1868 in Sheffield. (you say Evelyn was born 1868, and in 1911 she claims to be born in Sheffield).

Emma J Sewell
in the 1871 England Census
Name: Emma J Sewell
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Daughter
Father's name: Thomas H Sewell
Mother's name: Emily Sewell
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: St George the Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 214
Piece: 601
Folio: 102
Page Number: 36
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas H Sewell 31
Emily Sewell 30
Elizabeth E Sewell 10 - Dalston
Henry Sewell 8 - Lambeth, Surrey
Frederick G G Sewell 6 - Ipswich
John G Sewell 4 - Ipswich, Suffolk
Emma J Sewell 2 - Sheffield
Thomas St A Sewell 7 Months - St Albans, Hants.


Emma Sewell
in the 1881 England Census
Name: Emma Sewell
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relationship to Head: Daughter
Father: Thomas Sewell
Mother: Emily Sewell
Gender: Female
Where born: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Tilehurst
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: Englefield Road
Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Bradfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors:
Piece: 1299
Folio: 12
Page Number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Sewell 46
Emily Sewell 40
Elizabeth Sewell 20
Emma Sewell 12
Thomas Sewell 10
William Sewell 8
Edward Sewell 6
Emily Sewell 4
Albert Sewell 3
Jane Sewell 1
Samuel Sewell
SEWELL, EMMA JANE mms BRISTOW
GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in SHEFFIELD Volume 09C Page 436


In the 1894 baptism of Ivy, it says her mother's name is Emma.
I don't see Emma Sewell after 1881.
Could she have changed her name to Evelyn ?? and claimed to be the wife of William Hood ??

I still don't see Ivy's birth, as Sewell or Hood, and there's no marriage of a William Hood to an Emma of any surname.
Don't see Reuben's birth either, as either Sewell or Hood.

What was Ivy's father's name per her marriage cert?

(Apologies if you've already said - having read through the thread again, I don't see it.)

What was Evelyn's age said to be on her marriage cert?

Just wondering - as Joseph was a lot older than Evelyn (born c1850 per his death record), maybe she claimed to be older than she was?? 1868 instead of 1873 - ish ?

Thankyou!
Evelyn Hood definitely born 1868 married Joseph Gower 1915, died 1944 buried with him at Redstone Cemetery. Kathleen Matilda Joan House interred with them in 1965 - daughter of Ivy Dorothy House nee Hood who married Harry House - know that much. Appears to be two Ivy Hoods, Ivy Dorothy Hood (Enfield Middx) and Ivy D Hood (Dalsron) ours is Enfield one. Need to know why Kathleen interred there, relationship with Evelyn and Evelyn’s with Ivy. Evelyn’s maiden name would be vital - if she was married which I’m wondering now. Regards Maureen

According to the1939 register and the transcription of her death, Evelyn was born in 1868.

Gower Evelyn 1868 1944 1944 Civil Deaths & Burials Surrey Mid Eastern, Surrey, England

Evelyn Gower 21 Jul 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed


The 1911 census has her born 1873.

Evelyn Hood Visitor Widow Female 38 1873 Sheffield




Ivy Dorothy's birthdate according to the 1939 register is different to the one on the baptism record found.

Ivy D House 23 Jan 1893 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married


Ivy Dorothy Hood
Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1894
At the end of the column is written Nov 7th 1892 which I presume was her date of birth.


Just pointing out that Evelyn especially may not have been too sure about her year of birth.

On marriage cert Evelyn Hood to Joseph Gower she says father Tom Hood Saddler
Regards Maureen

Evelyn wasn't born in Sheffield, anyway.

There are two Evelyns born in Sheffield within a year or two of 1873, but neither is named Hood, and both are in established families with married parents, and appear on later censuses.

That's an interesting baptism of Ivy, Erika.
I wonder why there's no birth record?

This William Hood is a carpenter, in roughly the right area of London - but this Emma's too old to be Ivy's mother:

William Hood
in the 1891 England Census
Name: William Hood
Gender: Male
Age: 60
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1831
Spouse: Emma Hood
Child: Edward Hood
Birth Place: Poulshot, Wiltshire, England
Civil Parish: Twickenham
Residence Place: Twickenham, Middlesex, England
Sub registration district: Twickenham
ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
Neighbors:
Piece: 1026
Folio: 163
Household Members:
Name Age
William Hood 60
Emma Hood 63
Edward Hood 23

A tree on Ancestry suggest that Edward Smith fathered her son Reuben

If Evelyn was his daughter, it would have said so on the census.

I doubt very much that she was married at any time before the marriage to Gower

Have you looked for her in ealier censuses?

Maybe she wasn't a widow, but just said she was for respectability, because she had a son.

Thanks again - please keep info coming. I took it that Reuben b 1903 was Evelyn Hoods son. On her marriage cert for Joseph Gower in 1915 she gives her father as Thomas Hood which doesn’t ring right as she is Dow as widow!!! Wondered if Edward James smith (1911 Census) could have been her father - he was widower and she widowed so may have gone home?
Regards
Maureen

Name: Ivy Dorothy Hood
Gender: Female
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Apr 1894
Baptism Place: Stamford Hill St John, Vartry Road, Haringey, England
Father: William Hood Occ: Carpenter
Mother: Emma Hood
Register Type: Parish Registers

Address: 80, Templeton Road


Name: Ivy D House
Death Age: 76
Birth Date: abt 1892
Registration Date: Jun 1968
Registration district: Surrey South eastern
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 5g
Page: 260

Reuben's stated father Reuben Hood, engineer, deceased, sounds like an invented father to cover illegitimacy.

I can't see any likely Reuben Hood in 1901.
The one who died in 1914 was a rural postman (in 1911), not an engineer.

Can't see any marriage of a Hood and an Evelyn.

Does Evelyn give her father's name on her marriage cert (to Joseph Gower) ?


The tree owner who has Reuben junior listed as son of Edward James Smith may have been confused by the fact that Reuben is listed as "son" on the 1911 census - but it means he's Evelyn's son, not Edward's.
On the other hand, Edward's wife Marion/Annie (nee Ilott) had died between 1901 and 1911 - so who knows ?!

The death Carole posted is this man

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
School Lane Haslingfield Cambridge, Haslingfield, Cambridgeshire, England

Reuben Hood Head Married Male 60 1851 Haslingfield Cambs Postman Transcription
Emma Hood Wife Married Female 63 1848 Haslingfield Cambs - Transcription
Arthur Goode Cousin - Male 11 1900 Leytonstone Essex School