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Seems like a different Daniel Smith as mothers maiden name Taylor. Thanks for checking ArgyllGran :-)

From FreeBMD:

Births Mar 1919
Smith Daniel F (mms Taylor) Newport M. 11a 416

Do you know they only had the one child,, or could the Daniel F Smith born 1919 and died in 1920 in Newport Monmouthshire have been there son. This would suggest he was still alive in 1918/19. Perhaps someone with more access to records could find his mothers name.

Also ArgyllGran you can see from the 1939 census (it was free a couple of weeks ago on ancestry) that Mary Frances Fleming (Nelson) was born 1893 August 17th.....i'm inclined to believe that is correct.

See- https://imgur.com/a/h1GSB0Y

We already established she was born in County Cork, Ireland.

Hi Elizabeth, thanks, yes I believe I have another thread that explores my Nelson/Fleming family there is also a monster thread on the Frizzells :-)

found your Mary Frances in 1901 & 1911 wales census . Father James was .
a Seaman, Wife Minnie , daughter down as Fanny which is pet name for Frances
They were all born in Ireland

Have trawled through all the Daniel and D Smiths who died in WW1, on the CWGC website - and none of them is your Daniel.

It's a very common name. If he and Mary separated, and he moved away, he could have lived and died anywhere.
In England and Wales, there were six Daniel Smiths with no middle name born in 1889, so pretty much impossible to tell if any death is "your" Daniel or not.

Thanks for checking ArgyllGran, it's a proper mystery isn't it? Can only assume some clues will come to light when the 1921 census is released :-)

What on earth happened to Daniel Smith....

The second one, with no age, might be this one:


PrivateSMITH, DANIEL

Service Number 9604

Died 22/08/1915

11th Bn.
Manchester Regiment



Unfortunately, no info re NOK.


EDIT:

Well, no. Wrong birthplace:

Daniel Smith
in the UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919
Name: Daniel Smith
Birth Place: Clayton, Manchester
Death Date: 22 Aug 1915
Death Place: Gallipoli
Enlistment Place: Manchester
Rank: Private
Regiment: Manchester Regiment
Battalion: 11th Battalion
Regimental Number: 9604
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre

Well, not the first one - I think that's this one:


PrivateSMITH, DANIEL

Service Number 12073

Died 29/09/1915

Aged 25

1st Bn.
Scots Guards

Son of Daniel and Mary Miller Smith, of 39, Park St., Cambuslang, Glasgow. Native of Wishaw.

So was Mary Frances also in Scotland for a while?

Maybe these deaths are worth considering ?? No age given for the second one.

SMITH
DANIEL
25
1915
130/AF 224
Service Returns


SMITH
DANIEL
-------
1915
138/AF 1042
SERVICE RETURNS

For that matter (although we know there are lots of mistakes in the 1939 register) here's no birth of a Mary Frances Fleming in Aug 1893, either, as stated in 1939 .


Re Samuel:

Samuel R Arbuckle
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Samuel R Arbuckle
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1915
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 46
Residence Place: Stockton-on-Tees, Durham, England
Occupation: Iron Moulder
Schedule Number: 149
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: FGGO
Registration district: 544-1
Inferred Spouse: Mary A Arbuckle
Inferred Children: Robt H Arbuckle
Household Members:
Name
Samuel R Arbuckle
Mary A Arbuckle
This record is officially closed.
Robt H Arbuckle
John Wm Bean


Samuel Robert Arbuckle
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Samuel Robert Arbuckle
Death Age: 79
Birth Date: 29 Jun 1915
Registration Date: Apr 1995
Registration district: Central Cleveland
Inferred County: Cleveland
Register Number: D48
District and Subdistrict: 3481D


No, I can't see a birth or marriage for him either.

Nor can I see the birth of the child Robert H, according to 1939 Register born 19 Sept 1938.


EDIT:
Oh, I see Laird says they married in Scotland.


ARBUCKLE
SAMUEL ROBERT
SMITH
MARY ANGELA
1937
479/ 300
Falkirk


Samuel's birth:

ARBUCKLE
SAMUEL ROBERT
M
1915
473/ 117
Bonnybridge

The son Robert Henry also born Bonnybridge, 1938/

I was just looking at Daniel Smith's daughters wedding record on the Scottish People's website and when she married Mr Arbuckle in 1937 it lists Daniel Smith as father deceased (boiler maker)......not sure when or where though.

in the 1939 census it has Mary A Arbuckle and Samuel R Arbuckle, but for the life of me I car'nt find a marriage or birth for him

If I see Daniel Smith kicking about in the 1921 census that'll answer a few questions.

Notes copied over to my tree under Daniel Smith. The census records certainly appear valid and the death record certainly possible.

Death of the child Victor ??

SMITH, VICTOR 0
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 119

ArgyllGran I suspect like you I'll be waiting on the 1921 census to give clues to some of my family :-)

Perhaps the 1914 marriage was bigamous, and Daniel changed his name and disappeared when he was found out ??

I'd surmise a different Daniel, Smith appears a very common name. The Daniel Smith who died in 1938 seems like a strong candidate for being Mary Frances Fleming's first husband.