Genealogy Chat

No worries Erika, you haven't missed any facts, they are hidden in that R.M.L.I. Record, I think...lol, at least we could check things, if we had them!...(there is an address, but what?)

Chris :)

Yes Rose, Henry is also on Surrey Electoral (Ancestry)

Sorry, Chris, if I've duplicated a post of yours.

I must confess I didn't read every post as carefully as I perhaps should have.

At present, it seems to me that there's a lot of guessing, and not much in the way of hard facts from the poster - or have I missed those as well?

Chris, I think that this is the same Henry in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Court, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Henry Cooper Head Married Male 30 1861 London, Middlesex, England Eating House Keeper Transcription
Lillie Cooper Wife Married Female 21 1870 United States -
Fanny Carpenter Servant Single Female 17 1874 London, Middlesex, England Eating House Assistant Transcription
Caroline Newman Servant Single Female 17 1874 London, Middlesex, England Eating House Assistant Transcription
Tom Barnwell Servant Single Male 29 1862 England Eating House Assistant Transcription
Henry Cooper Leather Married Male 59 1832 London, Middlesex, England - Transcription


and 1881 ? with parents given the occupation of father...

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
82, New Cut, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England
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Henry Cooper Head Married Male 40 1841 Lambeth, Surrey, England Eating House Keeper
Mary Cooper Wife Married Female 39 1842 Lambeth, Surrey, England -
Henry Cooper Son Single Male 21 1860 Lambeth, Surrey, England No Occ
John Cooper Son Single Male 16 1865 Lambeth, Surrey, England No Occ
Amelia Nichols Servant Single Female 15 1866 St Luke's, Middlesex, England Domsetic Serv
Louisa Carter Servant Single Female 15 1866 Lambeth, Surrey, England Domsetic Serv
Harry Newman Boy Single Male 17 1864 Burham, Essex, England Boy (Errand
William Simmonds Porter Single Male 18 1863 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Porter
Annie Murray Waitress Single Female 19 1862 Poplar, Middlesex, England Waitress (Inn)

Will - if a groom's m.cert is on one page and a bride's m.cert is on another page, I'm very puzzled as to how you imagine they could be the bride and groom on the same m.cert.

(yes Erika, as I keep saying!, lol, could be names and addresses, but it needs downloading!)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7768366

Chris :)

Rose, I found the same, with New Cut!...(didn't posted, but saw this morning)

Charles was in the Royal Marine Light Infantry when he married


Name: Charles Henry Cooper
Birth Date: 24 Mar 1879
Enlistment Date: 8 Apr 1896
Division: Royal Marine Light Infantry: Chatham Division
Register Number: 8939

So unless I've lost the plot that Henry can't be the father , it just is in the category of 'previous master' on military record with the soldier number WilD has given.

So ?? maybe related? :-S OR is the military record not the same Charles

So the matching address from the military record is 82 Cut St in 1901 is for a Henry (j?) Cooper and wife Lillian.

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
82, New Cut, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Henry J Cooper Head Married Male 41 1860 Lambeth, Surrey, England Dining Room Keeper
Lillian Cooper Wife Married Female 31 1870 - -
Bessie Moore Servant Single Female 34 1867 Brighton, Sussex, England Waitress
Edward Stevens Servant Single Male 29 1872 Lambeth, Surrey, England Porter Dining Room
John Aygolhem Servant Single Male 29 1872 Lambeth, Surrey, England Porter Dining Room

First name(s) Charles Henry
Last name Cooper
Birth year 1878
Birth parish Lambeth
Birth town London
Birth county Surrey
Birth country England
Service number 6585
Regiment -
Year 1896
Attestation date 20 Nov 1896
Attestation age years 18
Attestation age months 4
Attestation service number 6585
Attestation corps 4th Bn East Surrey Regt
Document type Attestation
Series Wo 96 - Militia Service Records 1806-1915
Archive The National Archives
Archive reference WO 96
Box 577
Box record number 139
Record set British Army Service Records
Category Military, armed forces & conflict
Subcategory Regimental & service records
Collections from Great Britain, England

Gives age as 18 and 4 months
adrees Dolland street

Possible for father H Cooper 82 new Cut lambeth

Thanks, Chris

There isn't a birth to match other records for Charles Henry- assuming any of them are accurate, which I rather doubt.

He said when he married on Christms Day 1908 that his age was 30 - which it couldn't have been if the birth date given in 1939 is correct.

I wonder if in fact he wasn't a Cooper at birth.........

I think we need specific info from the poster about what he's looking for - and what he actually knows to be 100% factual.

(saw below earlier for Poplar one, if him)

Chris :)

Deaths Jun 1882 (>99%)
----------------------------------------------------------
COOPER Charles Henry 3 Poplar 1c 387

According to 1911 census he was born in Surbiton, for which the registration district is Kingston, which is where he married

COOPER, CHARLES HENRY WILSON Order
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 394

That birth does not tally with the 1939 census

Are you 100% certain that you have the correct birth cert?

This birth is a better match for the 1939

COOPER, CHARLES HENRY DARLING Order
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in POPLAR Volume 01C Page 662

Keep it simple

4 Vicarage Road , Twickenham M.B., Middlesex,
Charles H Cooper 25 May 1879 Male Public Work Contractor Labourer (Heavy Worker) Married
Lottie H Cooper 14 Sep 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Lillian L Dudman (Cooper) 22 Sep 1911 Female Daily Housemaid Single

Does the birth cert you have for Charles H match the date of birth above?

If Yes, given that it states Charlotte Eliza and John as parents then

the marriage for John and Charlotte is the right one.


Births Dec 1911 (>99%)
Cooper Lillian L Greenfield Kingston 2a 746

Marriages Dec 1908 (>99%)
COOPER Charles Henry Kingston 2a 798
GREENFIELD Lottie Harriet Kingston 2a 798

Whose marriage are you actually trying to prove?

MGNV yes this is exactly where I am getting tied up in knots Im just muddled now???

Will

(it's a case of seeing below I think...(as said earlier, you can view Show images, but in order to see it properly, costs £3.50 to download)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7768366

(his Marriage states R.M.L.I)

Chris :)

(been screwing eyeballs up trying to decipher, lol)

Chris: Its a different Cooper has to be!

Will.

Yes Chris that is correct: (Will)

1939 Register (Find My Past)

4 Vicarage Road , Twickenham M.B., Middlesex,
Charles H Cooper 25 May 1879 Male Public Work Contractor Labourer (Heavy Worker) Married
Lottie H Cooper 14 Sep 1878 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married
Lillian L Dudman (Cooper) 22 Sep 1911 Female Daily Housemaid Single



1911 (Find My Past)
Charles Henry Cooper Head Married Male 32 1879 Surbiton Surrey Odd Man Domestic
Lottie Harriet Cooper Wife Married Female 33 1878 Teddington Middlesex
Stables Oakfield Somerset Road, Wimbledon, Surrey

Hello Chris Ho and mgnv thank you for your contributions.

Think this is tiying me up in knots a bit I will take a bit longer look later on.

In the mean time thank you again Will.