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Re CH's post:
Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)
COOPER William Freebridge Lynn 13 273
DREW Susan Freebridge Lynn 13 273

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England, Norfolk, Parish ...Record Office), 1510-1997 > Westacre > Marriages > 1838-1901 > Image 4 of 94
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That's ok, leaving you to digest it all now Will...

Your 'Tree' is sprouting nicely, lol...

Chris :)

Oh Thank you very much for your reply thanks. WilD

Ancestors ended up on your own doorstep then Will, not far to visit now then!, lol,am sure you will soon get used to the idea...

Turned out well I reckon!. Myself, (I don't know about the other helpers) I don't have a degree, but we sharpen up our brains on 'Threads' like these...

Enjoy that Norfolk air Will, it's good for you! :))

Chris :)

(looking back at 1891 posted, Sarah Cooper (nee Andrews) has Birthplace as Norfolk also, looks like Marham on image, adding below for a possible)


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Marham
Church name (with link) Holy Trinity
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 82
Baptism date 14 Sep 1845
Person forename Sarah
Person sex F
Father forename John
Mother forename Rebecca
Father surname ANDREWS
Person abode Marham
Father occupation Labourer
Notes Register Also Say Or Anderson In Surname Column

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Birth
ANDREWS, SARAH (GREEN)
GRO Reference: 1845 S Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION Volume 13 Page 89

Birth
ANDREWS, SUSANNA GREEN Order
GRO Reference: 1849 D Quarter in DOWNHAM UNION Volume 13 Page 73

(above look to go with John/Rebecca, Census Marham, Norfolk)


County Lincolnshire
Place Wrawby
Church name (with link) St Mary
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 189
Marriage date 23 Apr 1827
Groom forename John
Groom surname ANDREWS
Bride forename Rebecca
Bride surname GREEN
Witness1 forename Thomas
Witness1 surname WHITE
Witness2 forename Ann
Witness2 surname SMITH
Notes Witns; Joseph Green; mark of groom

(as Rebecca has Lincs. for Birthplace, adding possible above, 1841 they have below son)

Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Marham
Church name (with link) Holy Trinity
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 698
Baptism date 17 Feb 1839
Person forename Simpson
Person sex M
Father forename John
Mother forename Rebecca
Father surname ANDREWS
Person abode Marham
Father occupation Labourer

Haha how ironic I ended up here well more to the East of Norwich to be exact. The problem I have is that i moved "here" (Parents inheritance from Lottie Harriett Cooper in the late fifties, death 1958) and have been a lorry driver all my life well from my teens as it paid more than anything else I could find to survive at the time of my mother's death in my mid teens (no Pinewood Studio or Twickenham Studio for me). My Father the next day scooted off back to Dulwich!!! But I have always felt that "Pull" mainly of Teddington area for some reason. Well too late now maybe? I do find it intriguing how "you" deliver the amount of informating from archives that you do in the time you do. Oh the; as a lorry driver I also did a BSc hons and I think this is what is dragging me down in these archives I just have to investigate every dot and cross of the tee perhaps I just need to go with the flow and accept Norfolk haha! Thanks back soon no doubt! WilD

Well, if the Henry C on the census above is your relative, you have no choice about the Norfolk link.....lol!

(lol Will, well you might not like it, but at least it's proving easier!)

Chris :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Acre

(West Acre is a village and civil parish in the King's Lynn and West Norfolk district of the county of Norfolk)

(a nice part, not too far from Sandringham, Norfolk Lavender, Heacham, lol)

Hello yes doesnt seem to be a lack of "Cooper" information. Thank you Chris Im trying to get my head into gear. I really dont like the Norfolk link dont know why?
Anyway thank you again and erikaH thanks. WilD

If I remember, a witness on that 1869 Marriage image, was Eliza Cooper (I did make a note of things below at time!)

Chris :)

1881 (Find My Past)
William Cooper Head Married Male 67 1814 West Acre, Norfolk, England
Susan Cooper Wife Married Female 63 1818 Dersingham, Norfolk, England
Eliza Cooper Daughter Single Female 29 1852 Whitchurch, Hampshire, England Dressmaker
Charlotte Greenwood Niece Single Female 35 1846 West Acre, Norfolk, England Dressmaker
Margaret Part Boarder Single Female 51 1830 Acton, Middlesex, England Annuitant (Owner Of House Property)
Duedes Villa, Chiswick, Brentford, Middlesex


1871
William Cooper Head - Male 57 1814 - Norfolk (Westacre) England (Gardener)
Susan Cooper Wife - Female 53 1818 - Norfolk, England
Eliza Cooper Daughter - Female 19 1852 - Hampshire, England
Lillie Road Mascraft Cottage, Fulham, Kensington, London & Middlesex


1861
William Cooper Head Married Male 47 1814 Gardener West Acre, Norfolk, England
John Cooper Son - Male 12 1849 Scholar West Acre, Norfolk, England
Eliza Cooper Daughter - Female 9 1852 Scholar Whitchurch, Hampshire, England
Mary A Norgan Visitor Unmarried Female 22 1839 Servant West Winch, Norfolk, England
Gunters Cottage, Lillie Road, Fulham, Kensington, London & Middlesex


1851
William Cooper Head Married Male 38 1813 Farm Labourer West Acre, Norfolk, England
Susan Cooper Wife Married Female 35 1816 Wife At Home Dersingham, Norfolk, England
John Cooper Son - Male 2 1849 Son At Home West Acre, Norfolk, England
Charles Blandy Servant Unmarried Male 20 1831 Carter Whitchurch, Hampshire, England
Freefolk Manor, Whitchurch, Hampshire,


1841
William Cooper Male 64 1777 Norfolk, England (Labourer)
Mary Cooper Female 63 1778 Norfolk, England
Ann Cooper Female 24 1817 Norfolk, England
Sarah Cooper Female 20 1821 Norfolk, England
George Cooper Male 18 1823 Norfolk, England
William (junr) Cooper Male 27 1814 Norfolk, England (Labourer)
Susan Cooper Female 25 1816 Norfolk, England
West Acre, Freebridge Lynn, Norfolk


County Norfolk
Place West Acre
Church name (with link) All Saints
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 6
Marriage date 10 Jan 1840
Groom forename William
Groom surname COOPER
Groom condition Bachelor
Groom occupation Labourer
Groom abode Westacre
Bride forename Susan
Bride surname DREW
Bride condition Spinster
Bride abode Westacre
Witness1 forename William
Witness1 surname RIDWELL
Witness2 forename Anne
Witness2 surname COOPER
Notes Both Of Full Age. She Signs X.


Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)
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COOPER William Freebridge Lynn 13 273
DREW Susan Freebridge Lynn 13 273


Birth
COOPER, JOHN (DREW)
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in FREEBRIDGE LYNN UNION Volume 13 Page 138


Birth
COOPER, ELIZA (DREW)
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in WHITCHURCH Volume 07 Page 273


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place West Acre
Church name (with link) All Saints
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 528
Baptism date 26 Nov 1848
Person forename John
Person sex M
Father forename William
Mother forename Susan
Father surname COOPER
Father occupation Labourer

https://www.freereg.org.uk/


Deaths Sep 1930 (>99%)
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Cooper Eliza 78 Brentford 3a 366

(she appears on later Census with (Cousin) Charlotte Greenwood)


Baptism
County Norfolk
Place West Acre
Church name (with link) All Saints
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 488
Baptism date 22 Feb 1846
Person forename Charlotte
Person sex F
Father forename John
Mother forename Hanah
Father surname GREENWOOD
Father occupation Labourer


County Norfolk
Place West Acre
Church name (with link) All Saints
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 15
Marriage date 11 Feb 1843
Groom forename John
Groom surname GREENWOOD
Groom condition bachelor
Groom occupation Labourer
Groom abode Westacre
Bride forename Hannah
Bride surname COOPER
Bride condition spinster
Bride occupation Servant
Bride abode Westacre
Groom father forename James
Groom father surname GREENWOOD
Groom father occupation Labourer
Bride father forename William
Bride father surname COOPER
Bride father occupation Labourer
Witness1 forename James
Witness1 surname GREENWOOD
Witness2 forename Thorpe
Witness2 surname BAXTER
Notes Both Of Full Age. She Signs X


Deaths Jun 1884 (>99%)
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Cooper Susan 67 Brentford 3a 62


Deaths Dec 1889 (>99%)
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Cooper William 75 Brentford 3a 59

(possibles)


Edits

Middlesex Monumental Inscriptions 1485-2014 Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) William
Last name Cooper
Age 75
Birth year 1814
Death year 1889
Dedication St Nicholas
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex

Inscription
In memory of / WILLIAM COOPER / who fell asleep / October 13th 1889 aged 75 / Also his niece CHARLOTTE GREENWOOD / died Dec. 25th 1926 aged 80 / and his daughter ELIZA COOPER / died Aug. 25th 1930 aged 79 / "Make them to be numbered with thy saints / in glory everlasting".

Monument type Headstone
Memorial reference A272
Position reference Cemetery Section A


Thames & Medway Burials Transcription (Find My Past)

First name(s) Susan
Last name Cooper
Age 67
Birth year 1817
Burial year 1884
Burial date 22 May 1884
Death year 1884
Residence Elliott Road
Place Chiswick
County Middlesex

Oh my word so much in such a short time thank you I will digest thank you ErikaH

COOPER, REBECCA GERTRUDE ANDREWS Order
GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 581

Name: John Cooper
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1846
Marriage Date: 6 Nov 1869
Marriage Place: St John, Walham Green, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: William Cooper, gardener
Spouse: Sarah Andrews age 24 - father John Andrews, farmer
Register Type: Parish Register

Address for both - Mashcroft, St Johns

The record to which you refer does not have a Sarah Andrews on the page

You need always to click on the page number to see all of the names

Marriages Mar 1875 (>99%)
COOPER John Kingston 2a 404
Foquett Emily Owen Kingston 2a 404
SUTTON Martin John Kingston 2a 404
White Kate Kingston 2a 404

I imagine this has been posted before, but I don't intend to plough through 6 pages to find it


1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
German Place, Kingston, Surrey, England

John Cooper Head Married Male 43 1848 Norfolk, England General Domestic Servant Transcription
Sarah Cooper Wife Married Female 44 1847 Norfolk, England - Transcription
Rebekia Cooper Daughter Single Female 20 1871 Surrey, England Domestic Servant Transcription
William J Cooper Son Single Male 14 1877 Surrey, England Errand Boy Transcription
Edward A Cooper Son - Male 12 1879 Surrey, England Scholar Transcription
Henry C Cooper Son - Male 10 1881 Surrey, England Scholar Transcription
Margaret M Cooper Daughter - Female 5 1886 Surrey, England Scholar Transcription
Clara L Cooper Daughter - Female 3 1888 Surrey, England -

Hello Im still very much a novice at this so not sure if I will get a reply again thank you above for previous help, but after obtaining that last B cert for Henry Charles I went on to get two d certs for Henry Charles Cooper's parents:

Father: John Cooper death date 24/05/1929 age 80, location 50 kingston Hill, Profession Gardener Domestic, Myocarditis, informant: H. Cooper widow of the deceased 59 Pemberton Rd East Molesey.

Mother: Sarah Cooper death date 20/12/1900 age 54, location Union Workhouse Kingston, Profession wife of John Cooper. Apoplexy. Informant John Cooper Wolsey Rd East Molesey.

GRO Refund for:The Marriage cert
John Cooper = Sarah Andrews Mar 1875 2a 404.
Going back to my original start of this thread I seem to still be getting the marriage certificates wrong???? Guess that wasnt the correct year was it???

Regards Wil D.

Will, I'm pleased that the birth cert has tied it all together :-)

Oh, that's great then Will... (51 Alpha is where family are 1881, posted earlier)

(yes, forget Wilson/ China Walk family)

Chris :)

(and if it's any consolation, his Father John Cooper, traces back quite easily, so you're over the worst, lol, should be plain sailing!)

Hello if anybody is still there.
The details on the B cert are as follows:

Born: 25th May 1881
Address: 51 Alpha Road Surbiton UDC,
Name: Henry Charles.
Father: John Cooper.
Mother: Sarah Cooper formally Andrews.
Father occ: Gardener.
Informant: John Cooper 51 Alpha Rd.

1:Ok thank you I feel better this is more to the location I would expect rather than where I was going.
2: So the mother I had as Wilson and all that line was wrong so I can get rid of cant I?
Regards and as always thanks in advance WilD

Ok thanks much regards Will!

That's not uncommon to find names round the other way, so don't worry about that (time to start worrying will be if that Cert. isn't him, lol)

Phew!, do hope not...(what with Marine Record and Birth Cert., could be the best £9.50 you've ever spent, lol)

Chris :)