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Chris, I think that this is the same Henry in 1891

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
New Court, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England

Henry Cooper Head Married Male 30 1861 London, Middlesex, England Eating House Keeper Transcription
Lillie Cooper Wife Married Female 21 1870 United States -
Fanny Carpenter Servant Single Female 17 1874 London, Middlesex, England Eating House Assistant Transcription
Caroline Newman Servant Single Female 17 1874 London, Middlesex, England Eating House Assistant Transcription
Tom Barnwell Servant Single Male 29 1862 England Eating House Assistant Transcription
Henry Cooper Leather Married Male 59 1832 London, Middlesex, England - Transcription


and 1881 ? with parents given the occupation of father...

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
82, New Cut, Lambeth, London & Surrey, England
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Henry Cooper Head Married Male 40 1841 Lambeth, Surrey, England Eating House Keeper
Mary Cooper Wife Married Female 39 1842 Lambeth, Surrey, England -
Henry Cooper Son Single Male 21 1860 Lambeth, Surrey, England No Occ
John Cooper Son Single Male 16 1865 Lambeth, Surrey, England No Occ
Amelia Nichols Servant Single Female 15 1866 St Luke's, Middlesex, England Domsetic Serv
Louisa Carter Servant Single Female 15 1866 Lambeth, Surrey, England Domsetic Serv
Harry Newman Boy Single Male 17 1864 Burham, Essex, England Boy (Errand
William Simmonds Porter Single Male 18 1863 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Porter
Annie Murray Waitress Single Female 19 1862 Poplar, Middlesex, England Waitress (Inn)

Sorry, Chris, if I've duplicated a post of yours.

I must confess I didn't read every post as carefully as I perhaps should have.

At present, it seems to me that there's a lot of guessing, and not much in the way of hard facts from the poster - or have I missed those as well?

No worries Erika, you haven't missed any facts, they are hidden in that R.M.L.I. Record, I think...lol, at least we could check things, if we had them!...(there is an address, but what?)

Chris :)

Yes Rose, Henry is also on Surrey Electoral (Ancestry)

Sorry if this has been posted- only skimmed over the thread.

Would this be the other Charles Henry:

Marriage:
Name: Charles Henry Cooper (labourer)
Abode: 56 Princes Road
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1879
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1903
Marriage Place: St Mary the Less, Lambeth, Lambeth, England
Father: John James Cooper- (deceased) painter<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Spouse: Edith Florence Robinson
Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses: Arthur Sandford & Charlotte Cooper

(Please let me know if it would easier for me to delete- I don't want to confuse things!)

Well that probably would be him AQ, seeing that address, think I saw it earlier with sister Susannah Julia Marriage image...Edits (just checked, she was at 7, Princes St., 1891)

(on that link below, can you make out anything?, lol)

Chris :)

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7768366

Hold on- I'll take a look.

Just wondered if this was related (Henry Charles- Father Gardener, living in Kingston)-:

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
German Place, Kingston, Surrey, England

John Cooper Head Married Male 43 1848 Norfolk, England Gardener Dom Servant
Sarah Cooper Wife Married Female 44 1847 Norfolk, England -
Rebekia Cooper Daughter Single Female 20 1871 Surrey, England Domestic Servant
William J Cooper Son Single Male 14 1877 Surrey, England Errand Boy
Edward A Cooper Son - Male 12 1879 Surrey, England Scholar
Henry C Cooper Son - Male 10 1881 Surrey, Surbiton Scholar <<<<<<
Margaret M Cooper Daughter - Female 5 1886 Surrey, England Scholar
Clara L Cooper Daughter - Female 3 1888 Surrey, England

Re that link- what am I looking for?:

Charles Henry Cooper
DOB: 2? March 187?
Born Surbiton, Surrey
Occupation: Groom

(so many gardeners!, been looking at below also, Ellen is Daughter of Absalom James Cooper, he and John are brothers)

Chris :)

1901 (Find My Past)
Thomas Stevenson Head Single Male 50 1851 Canada Timber Merchant
John Cooper Servant Married Male 40 1861 Great Bookham, Surrey, England Gardener Domestic
Rose Cooper Servant Married Female 44 1857 Surrey, England Housekeeper Domestic
Ellen Edith Cooper Servant Single Female 17 1884 Kingston on Thames, Surrey, England General Servant Domestic
Belmont Villas, 3, Berrylands Road, Surbiton, Kingston, Surrey,


Marriages Jun 1887 (>99%)
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COOPER John Epsom 2a 13
MILLARD Rosanna Epsom 2a 13

(on Marriage image, he is a Bachelor, her a Spinster)

(at top, there is some sort of address, Walton?...yes, I wondered if it said it Groom, seeing he was at Stables 1911, lol)

Chris :)

Ah yes-
Address at bottom (Presumably a discharge address?): ?5 Wa? Lane, ?, Middlesex

Address at top- i think for next of Kin: Mrs Irn? Walton ?

Lol!

(splashes 'Thread' with eyewash, lol, lol)

(don't think FMP have those Records, shame!)

Chris :)

Can't see the record on FMP- although it might be my search methods!

OK- so it could be the Henry Charles that I posted the 1891 above for??:

His father (different partner) in 1901 & 1911:

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Palace Road, Molesey, East Molesey, Kingston, Surrey, England

John Cooper Head Married Male 52 1849 Norfolk, England Gardener
Harriet Cooper Wife Married Female 41 1860 Flitwick, Bedfordshire, England
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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
12 Walton Road East Molesey, East Molesey, Surrey, England

John Cooper Head Married Male 62 1849 Westacre Norfolk Gardener Nurseryman
Harriett Cooper Wife Married Female 51 1860 Flitwick Bedfordshire House Wife
Maggie Cooper Daughter - Female 13 1898 Morden Surrey School

Oh Please make it so, lol...

(been drivin', me ever since last night!)

Chris :)

Oh dear Chris- it's bad when it get's ya!

I don't have much time- but this is the birth of Henry Charles- of course it means he turned his names around and lied about his age!- think we have a bit more work to do!:

First name(s) HENRY CHARLES
Last name COOPER
Birth year 1881
Birth quarter 2
Mother's last name Andrews
District Kingston
County Surrey
Volume 2A Page 323

COOPER, MAGGIE RICHARDSON Order
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 311

Marriages Mar 1901 (>99%)
Cooper John Kingston 2a 475
RICHARDSON Harriett Kingston 2a 475

Well it certainly is bad!, and I remember that Birth, and looking for a Baptism, saw William John, and a Ellen Elizabeth, but couldn't see bloomin' Henry, lol...

(Surrey Baptisms, Ancestry)


Deaths Jun 1946 (>99%)
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Cooper Charles H 64 Staines 3a 50


Deceased name Mr Charles Henry Cooper
Date of Burial 14/05/1946
Gender Male
Age 64 Years
Date of death Unknown
Location Teddington Cemetery
Section S
Grave 2563

(above was him for reference, so not exactly 1939 age either!)

Chris :)

(getting near 'kitchen time', will dig later!)

1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Palace Road, Molesey, East Molesey, Kingston, Surrey, England

John Cooper Head Married Male 52 1849 Norfolk, England Gardener Transcription
Harriet Cooper Wife Married Female 41 1860 Flitwick, Bedfordshire, England -

1891

Name: John Cooper
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Relationship: Head
Birth Year: 1848
Spouse: Sarah Cooper
Child: Rebekia Cooper
William J Cooper
Edward A Cooper
Henry C Cooper
Margaret M Cooper
Clara L Cooper
Birth Place: Wistave, Norfolk, England
Civil Parish: Kingston
Residence Place: Kingston, Surrey, England
Sub registration district: Kingston
ED, Institution or Vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 613
Folio: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
John Cooper 43
Sarah Cooper 44
Rebekia Cooper 20
William J Cooper 14
Edward A Cooper 12
Henry C Cooper 10
Margaret M Cooper 5
Clara L Cooper 3
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Name: John Cooper
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 23
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1846
Marriage Date: 6 Nov 1869
Marriage Place: St John, Walham Green, Hammersmith and Fulham, England
Father: William Cooper
Spouse: Sarah Andrews
Father: John Andrews