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Constance Florence Gasper
1905
1905
Fort William
Bengal

FATHERS NAME ....Terence Prinsep

THIS seems to be my name.
But when I try search her fathers name I don't get anything at all.
Why would this be xxxx

Oh OK . Thank u.
Ohhh thank u for the link. Yes I think now remembering I used to belong there years ago. Thank u hun. Xxx

Oh OK . Thank u.
Ohhh thank u for the link. Yes I think now remembering I used to belong there years ago. Thank u hun. Xxx

Oh OK . Thank u.
Ohhh thank u for the link. Yes I think now remembering I used to belong there years ago. Thank u hun. Xxx

I can't see a link between Arratoon and your family Serena, though there could still be one. The surname Gasper/Gaspar seems to appear quite a lot in India ( possibly from Armenia?) .

Find my past site is where I have a subscription now. You can see what records they have at https://www.findmypast.co.uk/ and perhaps you might decide to join at some point. Look out for when they do an offer on the price!

Who is arratoon. ....
Unusual name.
Ohhhh would love to look through it all.
What's the site or is that the one mentioned. Xxxx
I will take a good look through them. I find it all so interesting. But somewhat very sad too......would love to go india to trace family roots........thank u all so very much xxxx

John 1820's sister's records, as mentioned in my previous post:

Ann Gasper
in the India, Select Marriages, 1792-1948
Name: Ann Gasper
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 24 Dec 1841
Marriage Place: Mercara, Madras, India
Spouse: Joseph Gunnell
FHL Film Number: 521843


Benjamin Lowe
in the India, Select Births and Baptisms, 1786-1947
Name: Benjamin Lowe
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 1 Nov 1846
Birth Place: Madras, India
Baptism Date: 29 Apr 1847
Baptism Age: 0
Baptism Place: Madras, Madras, India
Father: Benjamin Lowe
Mother: Ann Louse
Reference ID: v 26 p 148
FHL Film Number: 521845

You could look here Serena, it's the National Archives and gives what records might be available there?

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=Indian+marriages

for example there's this "Various Indian States: Births Deaths"


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Reference: RG 33/112
Description:
Various Indian States: Births Deaths

Date: 1918-1935
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Former reference in its original department: 1931-1945
Legal status: Public Record(s)
Closure status: Open Document, Open Descriptio

Must say the Indian records are fascinating :-) There is not a connection as far as I can see but coming across records mentioning Arratoon Gasper

British India Office Inventories and Accounts of Deceased Estates Transcription

First name(s) Arratoon
Last name Gasper
Event year 1818
Presidency Bengal
Age -
Record type Inventory


And it lists all his possessions sold at a public auction everything from 24 jackets to a silver coffee pot totalling £556.10s & 6d ( before costs and commision),

Nyx -
no, that marriage isn't on the tree.

It says that the father of John (1820) was another John, but doesn't give his mother's name.

Apparently John 1820 had a sister:


ann lous [Louisa ?? ] gasper
1829–
Birth 1829 • india
Death Unknown
First marriage:
24 December 1841 • Mercara Madras India
Joseph Gunnell

Second marriage:
14 Mar 1844 • India
to Benjamin Lowe . She is aged 15, and he 20, a widow.

Child:

Benjamin Evan Lowe
1846–
Birth 1ST NOVEMBER 1846 • Madras India
Death Unknown

Yes my nan and pop died in about a few weeks of each other. Really sad.
And my other nan died within a week of them both too. So there were 3 deaths within a few weeks.
Can u send a link to the site which may hold the info or the Web address.
Ohhhh could be johns father might it..... xxxxx

I noticed that ArgyllGran,

On the Ancestry tree does it mention this marriage? no way of knowing if it might be related though, could be the John father of John who married Sarah Christiana?

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns - Marriages Transcription

"Certificates forwarded from other stations"
First name(s) John
Last name Gasper ( Drummer of the 29th NI)
Marriage year 1816
Marriage date 25 May 1816
Spouse's first name Anna ( on image "Anna a N: Woman"...Native?
Spouse's last name -
Place Meerut
Presidency Bengal
Groom's father's first name -
Groom's father's last name -
Bride's father's first name -
Bride's father's last name -
Catalogue description Parish register transcripts from the Presidency of Bengal, : 1713-1948
Archive reference N-1-10
Folio number 71
Entry number 5
Record set British India Office Marriages
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Marriages
Collections from Great Britain, UK None
brightsolid online publishing ltd.

Just noticed - (mildly interesting!) -
Benniah and Florence's deaths were close together - both registered in May 1991.

Records would be held locally and not all will have been transcribed and put online unfortunately, but I've just been looking at Find my past records so there may be records on other sites I don't have subs to.

Argullgran thank u for all this info....
Antonio was 17 when she married a 63 year old ?? Omg.......
??????????????
Awfull... there were young marriages. I know here in uk the law for minimum age used to be girls 13 boys 12.......shocking now.... but then it was normal back then. Poor kids eh..... xxxxx

Nyc .... all thr family were catholics . It's just weird..
Awww yeah its awfull. So many !!!

Yes oh I will have a look at that. It would be very interesting thank u. Xxxx

Why would there be no info on my nan do u think. ?? Xxxx

Change of religion Serena, he was baptised into the Catholic church aged 20, I would guess that this was possibly because he wanted to marry a Catholic girl , though it could just have been that he felt that was the religious path he wanted to follow :-)

Sadly finding infant deaths is terribly common when searching, all the diseases like TB that we can now treat were killers for adults and children., and in India there would have been other diseases also like malaria. if you're interested in general background, there's this page on health in British India
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2763662/

Wonder why he was 20 when he was baptised ....

Maybe he got ill then pulled through.
Can't understand the so many baby deaths.....really sad xxxx :-(

Charlotte's children;


anna josephine johnson (annie)
1898–1980
Birth 4 OCTOBER 1898 • calcutta india
Death 8 JUNE 1980 • northampton uk



Mary Mabel Johnson
1899–
Birth 1899 • India
Death India
Marriage
2nd December 1914 • india
alfred theodore mcdonald
(1893–1926)
Child:
alice mary mcdonald (married James Sweeney)
Birth india
Death uk



Alfred Joseph Johnson
1900–1931
Birth 1900 • india
Death 7 JUNE 1931 • calcutta india
Marriage
20 september 1925 • howrah india
married to Mary when she was 15 years old.
mary florence manuel (1910–)
Child:
Paulinus Anthony Johnson
1927–1927
Birth 1927 • India
Death 29 AUG 1927 • madras india




Alice Rebecca Johnson
1903–
Birth 1903 • india
Death India
First marriage: 21st May 1919 • Bowbazar Bengal India
Bertie was 20 years old, Alice the bride was 16, Witnesses were Alfred Johnson, brides father, and Albert Prowling, Grooms father.
Bertram Prowling (1899–1923)

Second marriage: Marriage
25th Aug 1927 • Calcutta, West Bengal, India
Richard Willy O'Connor (1901–)




francis johnson
1904–
Birth 13 NOVEMBER 1904 • india
Death Unknown




Antonia Clare Johnson ( Antionette)
1906–1932
Birth 1906 • India
Death 30/03/1932 • India
Marriage
20 september 1922 • Calcutta, West Bengal, India
married to Walter aged 63, she aged 17 both listed as widowed.
Walter Prosperous Douyere (1859–1932)

Second marriage to someone named Blackwell - no details given.



christiana mary josephine johnson
1908–1909
Birth 18 DECEMBER 1908 • lahore
Death 04/05/1909 • India




agnes charlotte johnson
1910–
Birth 26 MARCH 1910 • madras india
Death Unknown
Marriage
23rd September 1931 • Calcutta, West Bengal, India
george joseph Roberts (1906–)
Children:

Philip Roberts
1934–1934
Birth 1934 • india
Death 25TH MAY 1934 • india


Doris roberts
1935–1935
Birth 1935 • india
Death 29 MARCH 1935 • india

Also Mary, Frederick, and Patrick Roberts, all born India, no other details given.



Charlotte Johnson, nee Gaspar, had a second marriage, per the tree, to someone named Lewis, born India, no other details.

Ohhhh thank u.......
So much info.
I wonder why we can't get info on my nan. They must have been married !!
On their headstone as they are together he is gasper and she is rosario.
Would love to find things about her. Will be ringing my aunt olive this evening cause she has never known anything whenever I've asked her...
Thank u so much. Xxx

Frederick & Rebecca's grandchildren (per the Ancestry tree):


Sarah's children:


James Henry Albert Parker
1901–
Birth 12/08/1901 • Madras, India
Death Unknown



Noel Howard Lithgow Parker
1903–1985
Birth 1 DEC 1903 • India
Death AUG 1985 • Camberwell, London, England
Christening
1 Jan 1904 • vepery, Madras, India



Basil Parker
1907–
Birth 14 JUN 1907 • India
Death Unknown



Stanislaus parker
Birth Madras, India
Death Unknown
Arrival
2 Mar 1950 • London, England
Departure
Sydney, Australia
Spouse:
Mary molly
Birth india
Death Unknown



Charlotte's many children to follow . . . . .