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Hi Nyx - snap - sort of!!

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1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Bridgewater Gardens, St Giles Without Cripplegate, City of London, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Abraham Russell Head - Male 33 1838 - Oxfordshire, England
Hannah Russell Wife - Female 31 1840 - Oxfordshire, England
Eliza Russell Daughter - Female 9 1862 - Surrey, England
James Russell Son - Male 7 1864 - Surrey, England
Sarah Russell Daughter - Female 5 1866 - Surrey, England
Annie Russell Daughter - Female 4 1867 - Surrey, England
John Russell Son - Male 1 1870 - Surrey, England

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England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) ABRAHAM
Last name RUSSELL
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1861
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ ABRAHAM RUSSELL married one of these people
Harriet Amelia Allum, Hannah Betteridge
District Lambeth
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1D
Volume as transcribed 1D
Page number 425

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Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
RUSSELL, SARAH BETTERIDGE Order
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 88

RUSSELL, JAMES BETTERADGE Order
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in ST GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 145

RUSSELL, ELIZA ANN BATTERIDGE Order
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in CAMBERWELL Volume 01D Page 529

RUSSELL, HANNAH MARY BETTRIDGE Order
GRO Reference: 1868 M Quarter in SAINT MARY MAGDALEN BERMONDSEY SURREY Volume 01D Page 110

RUSSELL, JOHN WILLIAM BETTRIDGE Order
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in BERMONDSEY NOW SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 56

Marriages Mar 1861 (>99%)

BETTERIDGE Hannah Lambeth 1d 425
Russell Abraham Lambeth 1d 425

seems to confirm Betteridge

RUSSELL, JAMES BETTERADGE Order
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in ST GEORGE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 145

RUSSELL, GEORGE BETTRIDGE Order
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 332

RUSSELL, JOHN WILLIAM BETTRIDGE Order
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in BERMONDSEY NOW SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 56

looks likely

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Market Row, St Anne Soho, Westminster, London & Middlesex, England

Abraham Russell Head Married Male 43 1838 Labourer Oxfordshire, England
Hannah Russell Wife Married Female 42 1839 Old Clothes Dealer Stoke Row, Oxfordshire, England Transcription
James Russell Son Single Male 18 1863 Porter Surrey, England
Sarah Russell Daughter Single Female 15 1866 - Surrey, England
Annie Russell Daughter Single Female 13 1868 Scholar St James, Middlesex, England
Jahns ? ( John) Russell Son Single Male 10 1871 Scholar Surrey, England
Thomas Russell Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar -
George Russell Son Single Male 4 1877 Scholar -

England & Wales marriages 1837-2005 Transcription

First name(s) HENRY
Last name MOUNTAIN
Marriage quarter 1
Marriage year 1890
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HENRY MOUNTAIN married one of these people
Sarah Russell, Ruth Harriet Nichols
District Shoreditch
District number -
County London
Country England
Volume 1C
Volume as transcribed 1C
Page number 239

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Henry Mountain
in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1931

Name: Henry Mountain
Gender: Male
Marriage Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Birth Date: abt 1866
Marriage Date: 12 Jan 1890
Marriage Place: St Mark, Shoreditch, Hackney, England
Father: Henry Mountain
Spouse: Sarah Russell
Register Type: Parish Register

From original -
Henry - 24. Bachelor. Labourer. Father Henry mountain - Carpenter, Deceased
Sarah - 23. Spinster. Father - Abraham Russell. Deceased. Labourer

Abode of both Of St Mark, Old Street

Witnesses - Alfred ---- Winter and Emma Vernon ot Veinon

Marriages Mar 1890 (>99%)

Mountain Henry Shoreditch 1c 239

Russell Sarah Shoreditch 1c 239

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
MOUNTAIN, THOMAS GEORGE RUSSELL Order
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in ST GILES Volume 01B Page 601 Order

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Little Barlow St Marylebone W, St Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Occupation Age Birth year Birth place
H Harry Mountain Head Married Male Marker Porter Co Garden 45 1866 Rochester
Sarah Mountain Wife Marired Female No Occupation 44 1867 City of London
Harry Mountain Son Single Male Porter Fat Merchant 20 1891 St Giles
Alice Emily Mountain Daughter Single Female Servant Domestic 16 1895 St Marylebone
Arthur John Mounttain Son - Male School 13 1898 St George
Thomas George Mountain Son - Male School 10 1901 St Giles

Harry and Sarah married 21 years. 6 children born to marriage, 2 have died

Ohhh gosh sorry. All these names lol.
Hannah is Thomas mountains ( my grandad ) nans name. His dad was Harry mountain and his mum born Sarah russell. Sarahs mums name is hannah russell. But would like to find out info on her maiden name . Xxx
Is her maiden name betteridge ???
Xxx

Oh thank u so much. Ohhh I had never heard of that word. Have looked and searched on bmd for the marriage I can't find it. It takes some getting used to it. I'm off now for a week. I will be doing some searching.
Again thank u so much. I also have my grandparents marriage certificate coming soon too. Xxxxx

You can see that Greyghost has posted John James' birth, that can be found on the GRO birth index

JAMES, JOHN HAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 127

So you can see from that mother's maiden name is Haines sometimes spelled Haine
so you can then look at marriages in those names and match them to details from the births and the census as Greyghost did to find the marriage he posted

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
Austin John Kensington 1a 259
BOND Mary Kensington 1a 259
HAINE Annie Kensington 1a 259 <<<<<<<<<
James George Alexander Kensington 1a 259 <<<<<<<<<<

Banns show Bachelor and spinster, both of Willing's Place.
Banns read 14/21/28 March 1869 St Mary's, Paddington Green.

Married 25th April -St Mary's, Paddington
Both of full age.
George a Carman. Father John James a Tailor and
Annie's Father James Haine a Servant

London marriage cert images for that period can be seen on Ancestry website, which is useful for those with London ancestors :-)

Serena John Austin and Mary Bond are not connected to you, they just happen to have married and be listed on that same page ( if you look at freebmd you will usually find 2 or 3 couples married at the same place same time, that is the case here).

"Banns" are the reading out in the church of the intention to marry, " Banns are a legal requirement for Church of England weddings. Your intention to marry is announced by your minister on three Sundays in the three months before the wedding. They must be read in your parish church, as well as in the church where the ceremony is to take place."

Who is John Austin and mary bond please ?
And how do u all get yr information. .....
So interesting. Xxxx
Also who is banns ?
Thank u xxxx

Ohhhh. Thank u so so much. I've added loads of people to my tree on my heritage on my nans side. I couldn't have done it without any of you. Xxxxx

Grey ghost I hope yr painting went well today. . Xxxxxx <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

Quick recap,

Marriages Dec 1895 (>99%)

Hanton Martha Hendon 3a 305
James John Hendon 3a 305

This marriage Grey ghost added is for John James' parents

HAINE Annie Kensington 1a 259 <<<<<<<<<
James George Alexander Kensington 1a 259 <<<<<<<<<<

Omg I have just seen yr post on page 2 about him. Awww poor thing having all that wrong . Where did u find all this out hun. Gosh so so much info. Never knew we could find out so much about someone so many years ago.
I had him down as getting married in 1885. But would make sense if 95. I can't believe what u have all found out. I am so great full. Xxxxxx

Hi grey ghost. Thank u so much for so much info. I really don't quite understand it. Would it be the same John James.
As my one was married to martha hanton in 1885 !!!!
He would have been quite old in the army if say he married at 20 years old. That'd be 50 years .....
It is possible if he was high up.
I don't get the other names. Who are they.

Also on BMD I can't find a marriage for either or find their children on there.
Sorry to sound think. I'll be OK once I get the hang of it. Xxx

Name: Mother's Maiden Surname
JAMES, GEORGE ALEXANDER HAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 151

JAMES, EMILY HAINE Order
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 142 Order

JAMES, JOHN HAINES Order
GRO Reference: 1872 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 127

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Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1869 (>99%)
Austin John Kensington 1a 259
BOND Mary Kensington 1a 259
HAINE Annie Kensington 1a 259 <<<<<<<<<
James George Alexander Kensington 1a 259 <<<<<<<<<<

Banns show Bachelor and spinster, both of Willing's Place.
Banns read 14/21/28 March 1869 St Mary's, Paddington Green.

Married 25th April -St Mary's, Paddington
Both of full age.
George a Carman. Father John James a Tailor and
Annie's Father James Haine a Servant

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1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
68, Canterbury Road, Willesden, Hendon, Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
George James Head Married Male 35 1846 Plasterers Labourer Lambeth, Surrey, England
Annie James Wife Married Female 32 1849 Laundress Marylebone, Middlesex, England
John James Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar Kilburn, Middlesex, England
Charles James Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar Kilburn, Middlesex, England
Emily James Daughter Single Female 4 1877 Scholar Kilburn, Middlesex, England
George James Son Single Male 1 1880 - Kilburn, Middlesex, England

Silver War Badge Roll Transcription

First name(s) John
Last name James
Service number 11526
Rank Lance Corporal
Badge number 47360
Enlistment date 16-Apr-1915
Discharge date 06-Dec-1915
Regiment/unit Royal Warwick Regt.
Cause of discharge Sickness. Par. 392 xvi
Whether served overseas Yes
Badge date of issue 08-Feb-1917
Record set Silver War Badge Roll 1914-1920

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google -
The Silver War Badge was issued in the United Kingdom and the British Empire to service personnel who had been honourably discharged due to wounds or sickness from military service in World War I. The badge, sometimes known as the "Discharge Badge", the "Wound Badge" or "Services Rendered Badge", was first issued in September 1916, along with an official certificate of entitlement.