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Here is the 1841 for Thomas with Wm and Jane Clark.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Eastrea, Whittlesey St Mary & St Andrew, Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
William Clark Male 30 1811 -
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Jane Clark Female 40 1801 Cambridgeshire, England
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Thomas Sheals Male 20 1821 Cambridgeshire, England

I'd found that possible / probable death, Chris, and it implies that Elizabeth ought to be in C1871 somewhere ...

That one place study is interesting, thank you very much for unearthing it. I note a couple of Thomas Ashworths ...

I'll get in touch with the site owner.

Keith

1841 census next page to Thomas Sheals with mum Jane Clark is a John Lindsay age 30 married and a Publican.

Could this be death of Thomas Skeels J/A/S 1860 North Witchford 3b 315.
that would fit with Elizabeth being a widow 1861,I can't find her in 1871!

Maryb.

(could be possible Mary, age below)

Chris :)

SKEELS, THOMAS (40)
GRO Reference: 1860 S Quarter in NORTH WITCHFORD Volume 03B Page 315

(will look in later, going out shortly!)

I think I must have been asleep @alviegal, you found Thomas in C1841, I skipped over that thinking it was C1851 with Thomas Ashworth and the same "parents". That looks to me fairly conclusive evidence that they are one and the same person. Thank you again!

Nice piece of circumstantial evidence, Mary , thank you.

Thomas Skeels leaves a puzzle tho', if he calls himself Skeels why would he have married as Ashworth? Not impossible, of course, the death record might be focusing on "the facts" while the name he used might have been his preference ...?

I wonder whether there is an unambiguous record of of the William Clark - Jane ??? marriage?

So what was Elizabeth calling herself in 1871 I wonder?

Keith

He didn't marry as Ashworth, that was his second christian name:


Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)

READ Elizabeth Whittlesey 3b 920 Scan available - click to view
SKEELS Thomas Ashworth Whittlesey 3b 920 Scan available - click to view

I looked at this earlier as my gg grandfather and g grandfather were Skeels, originating from Cambridgeshire - but I couldn't see any connection to your Thomas.

(need to be patient Keith, wait for Cert.!, lol)

(another below also)

SKEELS, THOMAS CLARKE (43)
GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in CHESTERTON UNION Volume 03B Page 309

Chris :)

(well hope yours were easier Flip, lol, and not Fenland, borders also with Northants. and Lincs.)

Mary Read 1842 is on Gro as Mary Lindsey no mums maiden name.
Also Mary Lindsey March 1842 on FreeBMD.

Maryb.

Ah, thank you Mary, I should have thought of that. I was misled by her being "Mary Read" everywhere else. This is, I think, the same record as reported by both FMP and Ancestry:

Name: Mary Read
Registration Year: 1842
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district: Whittlesey
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 14
Page: 134

Yes:

LINDSEY, MARY -
GRO Reference: 1842 M Quarter in WHITTLESEY Volume 14 Page 134

Also Lindsey and not Lindsay.

Chris, you know by now that patience is not my long suit .

Thanks to a very helpful chap at Peterborough FHS I have some evidence that the suggestion earlier in this thread that Elizabeth was born Read (although these are transcriptions and I still need to see the originals - if that's possible).

1 May 1855 Skeels Thomas Ashworth (x) of age bac yeoman of Eastrea son of [blank] [blank]
Read Elizabeth (x) of age sp [blank] of Coates dau of [blank] [blank]
Wits: William Read, Charlotte Claypole

27 July 1877 Ashworth Elizabeth of Whittlesey Union 63 married to Thomas Ashworth Skeels 1/5/55

And thanks, Flip, I see that he married as Skeels but Elizabeth referred to herself in the census as Ashworth and the death or burial record above also says Ashworth.

Any thoughts about Thomas apparently being with William and Jane Clark in C1841 & C1851?

And I also need to find the right Read family for Elizabeth. Still, you've already helped me make some progress, thank you!!

(below I posted earlier for the Thomas 1855, with a couple of names)

Chris :)

http://www.gravestonephotos.com/public/gravedetails.php?grave=285983&scrwidth=796


(and think reference to below has been added earlier, if her!)

County Cambridgeshire
Place Elm
Church name All Saints
Register type Parish Register
Baptism date 26 Feb 1815
Person forename Elizabeth
Person sex F
Person abode Elm
Father forename James
Father surname REED
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary

https://www.freereg.org.uk/

Only 2 marriages showing up (Family Search) - (the Smith one not on freereg)

Thorney about 15 miles from Elm.

I would possibly discount the Little Shelford one as that is much further away from Elm/Thorney and there are births to the couple showing there.

Name James Reed
Spouse's Name Mary Cox
Event Date 28 Sep 1812
Event Place Thorney, Cambridge,England

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Name James Reed
Spouse's Name Mary Smith
Event Date 20 Dec 1802
Event Place Little Shelford, Cambridge, England

1851 next door to Elizabeth Read is Charlotte Claypole 1808
Charlotte daughter born 1841 V14 P124 mum nee READ
Sally 1839 mum nee Read.

Charlotte Claypole a witness along with William Read to Elizabeth Read marriage 1855.

Maryb

(would likely be below)

Chris :)

All England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 (Ancestry)

Name: James Claypole
Gender: Male
Event Type: Baptism
Father: Thomas Claypole
Mother: Charlotte Reed
Baptism Date: 3 Apr 1836
Baptism Place: Northamptonshire, England (Whittlesey)
Denomination: Wesleyan
Piece Title: Piece 0905: Peterborough Circuit (Wesleyan), 1811-1837

(does give Charlotte as Daughter of James and Mary Reed)

(Burial of above Baptism also 1836, Whittlesey. FMP National Burial Index for England & Wales Transcription)

Would go with 1828 Marriage of pair, from FMP Boyd's Marriages, checked on CFHS Super Search. (Whittlesey)

The James reed marrying Mary Smith 20/12/1802 seems to be another family according to tree on ancestry.co.uk
James Reed born Little Shelford1777 died 5/4/1830.

So it looks like Mary Cox is mother of Elizabeth and Charlotte.

Maryb.