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The image of that 1911 census posted by Choccy says his birthplace was Mounteford (or Mountsford) , Shrewsbury, and Ancestry's transcription says Mounteford.

That will be Montford, near Shrewsbury, which is about 8 or 9 miles from West Felton, judging by my road map.

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1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census


First name(s) Arthur

Last name Edwards

Relationship Boarder

Marital status Single

Sex Male

Occupation Labourer

Age 28

Birth year 1883

Birth place Winnsford Shreswbury

Address 1 Hemer Terrace Bootle Lancashire

Parish Bootle cum Linacre

County Lancashire
Country England

Archive reference RG14

Registration district West Derby

Registration district number 455
Enumeration district 25
District number 25

Sub district Bootle

Sub district number 5

Census reference RG14PN22431 RG78PN1322 RD455 SD5 ED25 SN383

RG78 code number 1322

Piece number 22431

Other household member last name:
Smith, Edwards, Brown, Benyon, Oconnor, Clifton, Fraham, Holden, Donohgur, O Neill, Donnelly, Lynch, Sanders

https://www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.northam.canada.saskatchewan.moosejaw/1433/mb.ashx

Lianne posted

"Hi there

My great grandfather Earnest Bennett always said that his mothers side of the family originated from Moose Jaw, Canada. No-one knows where this info came from oirginally!!!


Hi mother was Naamah Plunkett born 1874 in Liverpool, England.

I have traced Naamah's Plunkett line back to 1798 and they are still in Liverpool!!!!!

This makes me think that someone in her family might have gone over to live Moose Jaw rather than the Plunkett's originating there as my great grandfather said.

Any info on Plunkett's in Moose Jaw then may have gone to or come from Liverpool, England would be greatly appreciated.



NOTE:
Luke and Ralph are 2 names that appear several times in each generation on my Plunkett line!"



Click on her name on the post there and it suggests she logged into Ancestry last month so a message may reach her there.

Just for ref

Baptism: 10 Nov 1872 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Luke Plunkett - [Child] of Ralph Plunkett & Mary Ann
Born: 31 Oct
Abode: Horatio St.
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: Geo. R. Burrows
Register: Baptisms 1872 - 1873, Page 311, Entry 2487
Source: LDS Film 1656565 and 1656566

Baptism: 20 Dec 1874 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Naamah Plunkett - [Child] of Ralph Plunkett & Mary Ann
Born: 3 Nov
Abode: Everton
Occupation: Porter
Baptised by: E. F. Shaw
Register: Baptisms 1874 - 1875, Page 371, Entry 2967
Source: LDS Film 1656566
Baptism: 30 May 1886 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Martha Plunkett - [Child] of Ralph Plunkett & Mary Ann
Born: 20 Apr
Abode: Everton
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1886 - 1887, Page 6, Entry 46
Source: LDS Film 1656570

Baptism: 8 Jul 1888 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Emma Plunkett - [Child] of Ralph Plunkett & Mary Ann
Born: 27 Apr 1888
Abode: Everton
Occupation: Carter
Baptised by: W. R. Duncan Curate
Register: Baptisms 1888 - 1889, Page 44, Entry 350
Source: LDS Film 1656570

Unfortunately Lianne the OP of the 2009 post is showing as "It is not possible to send a message to this member. Their account may be deleted." so you may have to try and work forward to her from details on thread and try making contact elsewhere.

Maybe Rachel and Arthur were lodging with the Jacksons in 1911, but just weren't entered on the census?
Perhaps Thomas Jackson thought he only had to enter his own family on the form?

160 Strand Road had 6 rooms, including the kitchen but not the bathroom, scullery or lobby - so he would have had room for a lodging couple, as his own family consisted of himself and his wife, and a two-year-old son.


Thomas K Jackson
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Thomas K Jackson
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 100 Strand Road Bootle [ 160 on image ]
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Dock Laborer
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Piece: 22420
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas K Jackson 30
Elizabeth Jackson 27
William Joseph Jackson 2

Can't find them on the 1911 census

Just for ref helpers, from the other thread

"Arthur Thomas Edwards was born on 13th May 1911 at 160 Strand Road, Bootle, Lancashire."

Another family was there on the census.

Have send a message to that writer of that thread thanks for info

again a mistranscription



1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Rose Place, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Ralph Plunkett Half Brother (** actually says Head) Married Male 38 1853 Carter Lancashire, England Transcription
Mary A Plunkett Widow Married Female 28 1863 - -
Luke Plunkett Son Single Male 18 1873 Carter Lancashire, England
Hannah Plucknett Daughter - Female 16 1875 - Lancashire, England <<<<< NAAMAH
Ralph Plucknett Son - Male 14 1877 Scholar Lancashire, England
William Plucknett Son - Male 11 1880 Scholar Lancashire, England
Mary A Plucknett Daughter - Female 9 1882 Scholar Lancashire, England T
Rachel Plucknett Daughter - Female 7 1884 Scholar Lancashire, England <<<<<<<
Emma Plucknett Daughter - Female 3 1888 - Lancashire, England
Richard Plucknett Son - Male 0 1891 - Lancashire, England
Dorothy Lees Mother In Law Widow Female 82 1809 - Lancashire, England

England, Births & Baptisms 1538-1975 Transcription

First name(s) Naamah
Last name Plunkett
Gender Unknown
Birth year -
Birth place -
Baptism year 1874
Baptism date 20 Dec 1874
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Place Liverpool
County Lancashire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Ralph
Father's last name Plunkett
Mother's first name(s) Mary Ann
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Births & baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl

Known as Amy
Print transcription View image
First name(s) AMY
Last name PLUNKETT
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1897
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ AMY PLUNKETT married one of these people
William Henry Bennett, William Austin
District West Derby
District number -
County Lancashire
Country England
Volume 8B
Page 755
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Marriages & divorces
Collections from Great Britain, England

Naamah mistranscribed as hannah in 1911

1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
1 Waltham Road Cottage Hall L'Pool, West Derby, Lancashire, England

William H Bennett Head Mar Male Bricklayer Builders 34 1877 Lancashire Lpool Transcription
Hannah Bennett Wife Mar Female - 36 1875 Lancashire Lpool
William H Bennett Son - Male School 12 1899 Lancashire Lpool
Elizabeth Bennett Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Lancashire Lpool
Edith Bennett Daughter - Female School 8 1903 Lancashire Lpool
Henriettia Bennett Daughter - Female School 6 1905 Lancashire Lpool Tr
Hannah Bennett Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Lancashire Lpool
Alexander Bennett Son - Male - 4 1907 Lancashire Lpool

Rachel was with Arthur in 1911 ,so can't understand why she would give a child away , but I don't know the circumstances,,thank you to everyone for the help ,will look up that thread thanks

I was just googling having read the info about Strand Rd being where they were in 1911 and there is info here from 2009
that may help helpers.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/1138030?page=0

Alison are you in contact with the poster of that thread? Just wondering if looking for info on sister Naamah might help locate Rachel in 1911

Rachel must have been with Arthur Edwards in 1911, as this is the birth of their first son (per a tree on Ancestry) - although they didn't marry until 1927:

Births Sep 1911 (>99%)
Edwards Arthur T mms Plunkett W.Derby 8b 650

Trees on Ancestry say Arthur was Arthur William Edwards, 1883 West Felton, Shropshire.
I can see him on all censuses up to and including 1901 (variously Arthur, William, and William A, with varying YOB's) - but not 1911.

Yes ,they have the details I've got already ,thanks for the tip

Have you tried to contact the other people on genes who have her in their tree?

The family have always thought that she was adopted in 1912 ,and she could of used different surnames dayer ,Edwards ,malenberg or Desmond ,also can't understand why she was adopted when her mum was pregnant at the time of the adoption ,and my nan ( Martha ) was kept ., especially after Rachel had lost a child Evelyn in 1905
Thanks for your help

? DAYER, RACHAEL - Order
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 557

Edgar on the electoral roll 1908

G 876 Dayer Edgar 16 Langton road Litherland Dwelling-house successive 37 Conway stieet Seaforth
15 Langton road

Posting this which you may have already, just for address

Baptism: 9 Jan 1907 St Thomas, Seaforth, Lancashire, England
Martha Dayer - [Child] of Edgar Dayer & Rachel
Born: 9 Nov
Abode: 37 Conway St
Occupation: Labourer
Baptised by: H. A. Wadman
Register: Baptisms 1905 - 1909, Page 42, Entry 336
Source: LDS Film 1546065