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Hackney Archives have Bryant & May staff records - maybe worth a try:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13829595

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13531018

Searched first name only Eric, 1912-14 no deaths in anything resembling that surname in England and Wales..

No idea that's info I got from family ,they thought it was west Derby area

Where did he die? I can't see a death anything like that anywhere in England/Wales 1913-14.

Nor in Canada.

It's said malenberg or variant ,and they resided in the immediate area of St. Andrews church litherland Liverpool ,a Eric malenberg died in 1913 and he had something to do with Bryant and may match company ,this is what I've been told by family ,they said Minnie went to the family who were involved with this company

How sure are you of the spelling of Malenberg?

I'm wondering about this family in Bootle in 1911:


Charles Malmberg
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Charles Malmberg
Age in 1911: 57
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Sweden
Civil Parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 33 Benedict Street Bootle
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Marine Engineer
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Piece: 22411
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Malmberg 57
Elizabeth Malmberg 53

They didn't go to Canada, though.

Charles died 1915:

Charles A Malmberg
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Charles A Malmberg
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Registration Year: 1915
Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 61
Registration district: West Derby
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 495

Elizabeth remarried 1919:

Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)
Lewis Alfred Halmborg W. Derby 8b 796
Malmberg Elizabeth Lewis W.Derby 8b 796

Rachel died in 1959 and Elizabeth was my auntie Tilly she was born about 1906 ,ta for info

Rachel died in 1959 and Elizabeth was my auntie Tilly she was born about 1906 ,ta for info

Might say step mother because Doris was using a different name? and we don't know what documentation she had if she had been fostered by Malenbergs?

For assisted passage to be given I would guess that she had not been to Canada previously and was in UK until that outward journey??

Maybe "step" on Doris's travel record is the immigration clerk's mistake or confusion, because of Mr Edwards being her step-father?

Yes, looks like it - YOB and occupation match 1891:

Luke Plunket
in the 1901 England Census
Name: Luke Plunket
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Ann J Plunket
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 155 Rose Vale
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 01
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3473
Folio: 12
Page Number: 16
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Plunket 28 - carter / carman
Ann J Plunket 25
Mary J Plunket 4
Dorothy Plunket 3
James Barnes 17 - brother-in-law



Luke Plunkett
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Luke Plunkett
Age in 1911: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Bootle cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: 51 Audley St Bootle
Marital Status: Widowed
Occupation: Carter General
Registration district: West Derby
Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration district: Bootle
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 22423
Household Members:
Name Age
Luke Plunkett 38 - carter, hauling contractor, widower
Mary Jane Plunkett 14
Dorothy Plunkett 12
Elizabeth Plunkett 4 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Her birth:

PLUNKETT, ELIZABETH mms BARNES
GRO Reference: 1906 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 08B Page 247


Maybe parents' marriage:

Marriages Dec 1900 (>99%)
Barnes Ann Jane Liverpool 8b 187
Plunkett Luke Liverpool 8b 187


Rachel had an older brother Luke (see 1891 census on page 1) - is Elizabeth Rachel's niece?

The Elizabeth Edwards at the same address as Rachel on the 1939 is transcribed as:

50 Marsh Lane , Bootle C.B., Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Edwards 11 Oct 1906 Female House Wife Unpaid Married

EDIT: According to a tree on Ancestry- this Elizabeth was married to Rachel's son, Arthur Thomas Edwards:

Marriages Sep 1929
Edwards Arthur T Plunkett W.Derby 8b 1320
Plunkett Elizabeth Edwards W.Derby 8b 1320

There are 4 closed records above Rachel's name on the 1939, visible above that is an Elizabeth Edwards at the same address, but the age is unfortunately obscured by the black redaction line.

Is this Rachel then? the birth year is out and I can't find the daughter's birth? EDIT oh yes I can I think but it is entered as Edwards/Dayer

Births Jun 1927 (>99%)

Edwards Hannah M Dayer W.Derby 8b 825


Edwards Household (3 People)
50 Marsh Lane , Bootle C.B., Lancashire, England

Rachel Edwards 27 Nov 1882 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 52 1
Alfred Edwards 29 Jun 1923 Male Guillotine Hand Single 52 2
H (Mary) Edwards 01 May 1927 Female At School Single 52 3

Births Sep 1923 (>99%)
Edwards Alfred Plunkett W.Derby 8b 637

Do you know when Rachel died?

Doris went on assisted passage, as a domestic

"British Immigration

Generally speaking, British immigration may be divided into two classes, viz.-(I) Those who receive assisted passage, and (2) Those who pay their own fare.

The Assisted Passage Agreement of December 28, 1929, was effective during the calendar year 1930 and applicable to the following classes of migrants: (a) Selected families proceeding under an approved Land Settlement Scheme; (b) Selected families for farm placement; (c) House-workers, and (d) Juveniles."

He only married Rachel that's the information I've got

Having said that it doesn't give any more info, what it does have written in above "Mother Mrs Edwards is the word "Step", had Mr Edwards married again?

I'm obviously not using the search correctly but you should be able to use the microfilm number to see more details...

add it doesn't give any more
but it's on page 498 :


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