Genealogy Chat

My dad will be chuffed and so will his sister ,thanks to everyone who have helped me look for Minnie ,especially Jacqui x

Thanks so much Jacqui for all the info ,lovely to know she married and had a family , and probably we are related so it's lovely to chat to u x

What a relief to have that puzzle explained, Jacqui!

Hello Alison,

it’s Jacqui Edwards here, Minnie’s niece. I have tried to send a message to you both my Genes Reunited membership lapsed. I have joined this month just to send this message!

I presume the Ancestry tree ArgyleGran refers to is mine, so the question must be…

“How can we get it so right!?”

I can confirm to you that Minnie Dayer and Carole Joy Brown are the same person and this is the person/information you’ve been looking for!

You will be aware it was my dad who documented Minnie’s early days and he got most of it right.

She was adopted by the MALMBERG’S in Bootle, they were an older couple in their fifties at the time of the adoption. Charles MALMBERG was a marine engineer with the Cunard line and he died when Minnie was around 5 years of age, leaving her in the charge of Charles’ widow Elizabeth (Spencer). If you look at our tree on Ancestry (where you will find a photo of Minnie / Carol in her later years) you will see, we have found documents showing that Minnie was travelling using the names Doris DESMOND and her birth name Minnie DAYER.

When Minnie crosses from Canada to the US, she states the purpose of her visit was to see an Aunt and Uncle, giving their detail as Carl O MALMBERG. This is Carl Oscar MALMBERG, Charles A MALMBERG’S Brother!

We know that Carl helped her out financially and set her on her way. Problem: Minnie was on a temporary Visa which by now had expired. We don’t know where the name Carole Joy Brown came from but we presume she adopted a new identity because she was scared of getting into trouble.

This caused her problems later on as she could not get US citizenship having entered the country in a different name and having no birth certificate. We know now that she didn’t get a copy of her birth certificate (Minnie Dayer) until she was in her 70s

All the facts fit, dates documentation, names except is hard to see how we found she changed her name to Carole Joy Brown?

Well the fact is we didn’t, our trail ended in Chicago.

Then we got a message on Ancestry from one of Carole’s granddaughters from San Diego saying guess what? My Nan Carol Lini is your aunty Minnie… You can also find her tree on Ancestry

So there you go -Minnie DAYER was born on 18 November 1908 in Liverpool, Lancashire to Rachel Plunkett, her adopted father, Charles Malmberg, was 55, and his wife, Elizabeth Spencer, was 51. She married Francesco "Frank" Angelo LINI on 12 September 1931 in Manhattan, New York, USA. They had five children in 12 years. She died on 31 January 1996 in San Diego, California, USA, at the age of 87 and had many grandchildren

Best wishes, Jacqui

Do you have Minnie's birth cert for exact date of birth?

Carol's DOB as stated in her death record does fit with Dec qr 1908, when Minnie was born.

Thanks for info

Or could there be some sort of half truth in it?

Carl/Charles Malmberg did marry a Spencer (also stated on that tree):

Elizabeth Spencer
in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Elizabeth Spencer
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Marriage Date: 17 Apr 1881
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancaster, England
Father: William Spencer
Spouse: Charles Malmberg
FHL Film Number: 1656375
Reference ID: It 5 p 58



EDIT:

Ah, I see I've already suggested this couple - 21 Aug 2017 14:34

I don't see any birth of a Carol(e) Joy Brown in 1908 in England.

The same tree does show Doris Desmond's arrival in Canada in 1930 (already posted on page 2), as part of Minnie's timeline - so maybe Carol is indeed Minnie/Doris.

Info re parents on a death record are only as good as the informant "knows".

False (?) information on a tree on Ancestry -

it says she married Francesco "Frank" Angelo Lini (1910-80) in Manhattan, NY, on 12 Sept 1931.

Had three children: Robert Patrick (1932-2001); Frances A (1935 - ? ); and David C (1938 - ?)

I got quite excited - until I looked up the 1940 census, and found that Frank's wife's name was Carol J Lini ! And on the marriage record, her name was Carol J Brown.

How can people get things so wrong?! EDIT: Or maybe not - see below.


EDIT:

Unless Minnie had changed her name to Carol J Brown ??

Carol and Frank apparently divorced and remarried (to each other) a couple of times, according to the tree.

Carol was born in England:

Carol Lini
in the 1940 United States Federal Census
Name: Carol Lini
Respondent: Yes
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1909
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: New York, New York, New York
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: West 112 Street
House Number: 526
Inferred Residence in 1935: New York, New York, New York
Residence in 1935: Same Place
Citizenship: Having first papers
Sheet Number: 4B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors:
Household Members:
Name Age
Frank Lini 29
Carol Lini 31
Robert Lini 7
Frances Lini 5
David Lini 2


EDIT AGAIN:

No, she can't be the same person.

Her father's name given as Brown at her death , and mother's surname Spencer.

California Death Index, 1940-1997
View Record
Name Carole Joy Lini
Social Security # 130141658
Gender Female
Birth Date 18 Nov 1908
Birth Place Other Country
Death Date 31 Jan 1996
Death Place San Diego
Mother's Maiden Name Spencer
Father's Surname Brown

Still looking for info about Minnie dayer ,have messaged somebody who said they had info , but they didn't get back to me ,won't give up until I find out what happened to her

Still looking for any info about Minnie ( Doris) Dayer ,any help would be most appreciated
Thanks Alison

I'm still looking for any information about my auntie Minnie dayer ,would love to find out anything about her ,thanks Alison

Thank you Jacqui for the info ,do u know what happened to Minnie ,did she marry ,did she know she was adopted and why ? And was she happy ,it's always upset that she was adopted and Rachel went on to have other kids ,thanking you in advance for any other info ,sorry I haven't replied before now ,I haven't been on here for a while
Alison

Here is a transcript of Minnie's entry manifest, when she came to the US from Canada. I have cross-referenced this with the 1930 US census, also reproduced below. Both list Carl Oscar Malmberg's address in Chicago as: 6407 So Morgan Street.

This puts Carl Malmberg's date of birth around 1865 and his year of immigration 1885. It appears then that the Carl Malmberg you have found is a different person to Minnie's 'Uncle'.

Regards - Jacqui

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
Name Minnie Dayer
Accompanied by alone
Gender Female
Age 21
Sex F
Occupation None
Birth Date abt 1909
Birth Place London, England
Arrival Date 15 Oct 1930
Last permanent residence 335 Trohnt Ave, MAN, Winnipeg (NB: unsure of spelling)
Destination Chicago, Illinois
Passage paid by Self
Ever in U.S. No
Going to join relative or friend: Uncle & Aunt Carl O Malmberg
Complete address 6407 So Morgan Street
Purpose in coming and time remaining in US: Visit – 2 months
Port of Arrival Noyes, Minnesota and North Dakota, USA
Departure Date 15 Oct 1930


1930 United States Federal Census
Name Oscar C Malmberg
Birth Year abt 1865
Gender Male
Race White
Age in 1930 65
Birthplace Sweden
Marital Status Married
Relation to Head of House Head
Home in 1930 Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
Map of Home Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Street Address Morgan Street
Ward of City 18
Block 184
House Number 6407
Dwelling Number 39
Family Number 54
Home Owned or Rented Owned
Home Value 7500
Radio Set Yes
Lives on Farm No
Age at First Marriage 23
Attended School No
Able to Read and Write Yes
Father's Birthplace Sweden
Mother's Birthplace Sweden
Language Spoken Swedish
Immigration Year 1885
Naturalization Naturalized
Able to Speak English Yes
Occupation Ironer
Industry laundry
Class of Worker Wage or salary worker
Employment Yes
Household Members Name Age
Oscar C Malmberg
Augusta Malmberg
Rudolph C Malmberg
Thelinda Engstrom

Cannot see the original swedish record, so transcribed:
Karl Oskar Malmberg
Gender: Man (Male)
Birth Date: 23 jun 1890
Birth Place: Hjärtlanda, Jönköping
Departure Date: 25 jun 1910
Departure Place: Bringetofta, Jönköping
Arrival Place: Nordamerika
Occupation or Relation: Hemmason
Marital Status: Unmarried (Single)
Notes: Travels alone
Original Page: 261

Can see the original, but not clear
Karl Oskar
[Karl Oskar Malmberg]
[Karl Oskar Karlsson]
[Karl Oskar Johansson]
Birth Date: 23 jun 1890
Birth Place: Hjärtlanda, Jönköping, Sverige (Sweden)
Father: Karl Johan Malmberg (age 30?)
Mother: Ida Kristina Petersdotter (age 31?)

Sweden, Indexed Birth Records, 1859-1943
Name Carl Oscar
Gender Man
Birth Date 7 Maj 1864
Birth Place Forsmark, Stockholm, Sverige
Father Per Trullsson Malmberg
Mother Kjerstin Hansson
Household Members
Name Age
Carl Oscar
Kjerstin Hansson
Per Trullsson Malmberg

This is from Ancestry New York passenger lists, his father may be C J Malmberg, still trying to work out where he comes from, and where his Father lives.

Karl O Malmberg
Arrival Date: 11 Nov 1910
Birth Date: abt 1890 Birth Location: Sweden
Birth Location Other: hjerblanda ikpg (added: could be Hjärtlanda as below post)
Age: 20 Gender: Male Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scandinavian
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Lusitania

Father might be living in Gullringen, Flaka, Sweden.

This is a WW1 draft registration card for Carl Oscar Malmberg:

Carl Oscar Malmberg
Race: Caucasian (White)
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 23 Jun 1890 Birth Place: Sweden
Street address: 1230 4th Ave Residence Place: Rock Island, Illinois, USA
Physical Build: Medium Height: Medium Hair Description: Not Bald
Hair Colour: light brown Eye Colour: blue

Added:
He is in a tree on Ancestry, but they do not know his parents:
'He died in 1937 in Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA, at the age of 47.'

Alison, I'm Jacqui, descendant of Rachael and Minnie was my Aunt.
This is Minnie travelling from Canada to Chicago, on the visa papers for entry Minnie states the reason for entering the USA to be visiting Uncle Carl Oscar Malmberg (occupation Laundryman), Brother of Charles Malmberg of Bootle!

Regards - Jacqui

Border Crossings: From Canada to U.S., 1895-1956
View Image
View Record
Name Minnie Dayer
Gender Female
Race/Nationality English
Age 21
Birth Date abt 1909
Birth Place London, England
Arrival Date 15 Oct 1930
Port of Arrival Noyes, Minnesota and North Dakota, USA
Departure Date 15 Oct 1930
Residence Place Man, Wpg
Record Type Cards
Household Members
Name Age
Minnie Dayer

That was what my dad was told by my nan ,and other members of the family ,thanks for your help ,

Also can't see anyone of anything like that name living in Litherland / Bootle / area in 1911.