Genealogy Chat

You got it- thanks Chris

(think that might have been below AQ)

Chris :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Esme_Innes#cite_note-1

(from that link, Deed Poll)

https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/32989/page/8115/data.pdf

I suspect so- a little annoying for us though AG. I wondered what the terms of Annie's father's Will were.

Perhaps marrying or having children would cease any allowance.

So, theoretically at least, his father was deceased 1888-1903. (Re the Repton school record.)

But perhaps it was a strategic "death".

There is something coming up on Google but can't get to the actual page:

NOTICE is hereby given, that DONALD ESME INNES, of 23, Lathbury-road, in the city of Oxford, lately called Donald Esme. Isaacs

Can't see it on BNA

Where did you find Deed Poll reference?...

(sometimes they come up in The Times newspaper)

Chris :)

Despite the name change his father still listed as Donald Isaacs on school register 1903:-

Institution: Repton School
Volume title: Repton School Register, Pub 1905
Year: 1903
Town: Repton
County: Derbyshire
Country: England

Innes- Donald Esme Isaacs- Sept 1903
s, of late Donald Isaacs. b. Nov 22, 1888. c/o The Misses Isaacson, 30, Warnborough Rd, Oxford

And that Mary Rebecca Isaacson, elder Sister, I bet she knew a few things too, lol, seems to take over head of household, 1891, Brighton, with Eustace Fane Bouchier, a Lieut. General (retired) with Royal Engineers, his death 1902, she is then at 30, Warnborough Road, Oxford with Sisters, and a Bouchier girl, her Death there 1914...

(notes Bouchier family 1861 Freshwater, so probably remained friends)

https://tinyurl.com/y7mwgmn5

(The Plantagenet Roll of the Blood Royal: The Mortimer-Percy Volume
https://books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0788418726
The Marquis of Ruvigny and Ranieval - 2013 - ?History
Eustace Fane Bourchier, Lieut.-Gen. R.E...)

(Mary a couple of newspaper items)

Chris :)

(imagination works overtime!, lol)

I agree Innes is the likely surname as it was added to Isaacs in the 1891 census and was on its own by the 1901 census with no sign of Isaacs anymore. However I also am struggling to find likely candidates - it is difficult with so little info!

Unfortunately no-one left alive who can help. My Dad who was 7 when the younger sister died only knows that there was something in the past that no-one talked about!

Perhaps father was Daniel- I believe Daniel/ Donald are often interchangeable.

Not that it helps!

It seems reasonable to assume that the father's surname was Innes - definitely a Scottish name.

However, having tried any combination of Esme, Stewart, and Innes (any of which could be either a surname or first name) I can't see any likely person.

EDIT:
and Donald!

Of course, he might not have been living anywhere near either Bristol, IoW, or Oxfordshire at the time of any census.

Had another look - the birth certificate does look original and the signature although similar to the rest of the certificate is also very similar to that of Annie Isaacson. Not conclusive either way...

Mother was the informant - unfortunately not an original signature

I just sent this by private message- but it's probably easier if it's all kept on the board:

Who was the informant on the birth certificate? If it was the mother, her signature should be on the original birth certificate from the local registry office.

You need to be careful though as some registry offices just copy (write or type) the information from the original, whereas some offices photocopy the original. If you don't have the original it might be worth checking.

I don't think the baptism record will have signatures. They are normally just an entry in the parish record recording the date, parent names, and abode.

I wonder if Annie or Catherine's Will reveals anything?
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar

Name: Annie Elizabeth Isaacson
Death Date: 25 Nov 1931
Death Place: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Probate Date: 21 Dec 1931
Registry: Oxford, England

ISAACSON Annie Elizabeth of 23 Lathbury Road, Oxford Spinster died 25 Novemebr 1931 Probate Oxford 21 December to Catherine Sarah Isaacson spinster. Effects £3264
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Name: Catherine Sarah Isaacson
Death Date: 21 Jun 1939
Death Place: Fife, Scotland
Probate Date: 25 Jul 1939
Registry: Oxford, England

ISAACSON Catherine Sarah of Lade Braes Villa St Andrews Fifeshire spinster died 21 June 1939 at Craigmount Nursing Home The Scores Saint Andrews Probate Oxford 25 July to Donald Esme Innes professor of geology Effects £6517 in England.

St. Andrews Citizen - Saturday 24 June 1939
ISAACSON - On 21st June 1939, at St Andrews, Catherine Sarah, last surviving child of the late Canon Isaacson of Freshwater, Isle-of-Wight, aged 84.

Am I right that the Baptism records show the actual signatures of the parents. In which case I could compare the signature of Anne Isaacs with Annie Isaacson (which I think I have). If Annie is in fact the mother this would still leave a question as to the father. Logic suggests that it would be Donald or Stewart Innes but a (brief) search this morning did not reveal any outstanding candidates.

Have just read through this, and find myself thinking along the same lines as Andrew and AG .................. Annie as the possible mother

Yes, I think that's a coincidence, Gwyn.

Ethel May was the daughter of George Walter Ennis and Bessie Ann Fisher, and had two older siblings as at 1891 and 1901.

Where does the name INNES come from......

Looking on freebmd to see if Donald was indexed with any other surname, it is interesting to note that on the same page and quarter there is a child with a similar sounding surname....................... probably no link, but it is a coincidence.

Births Dec 1888

ENNIS Ethel May ...... Barton R..... 6a 60
ISAACS Donald Esme ............. Barton R..... 6a 60