Genealogy Chat

I agree unlikely, although there is the DNA link and I can find no other overlaps in the family trees. Thanks for researching.

So Anna Stuart, nee McHale, can't be the same Annie Stewart who gave birth to Donald Esme in 1888 - unless she had an extra-marital affair, and gave her married name instead of maiden name when registering his birth - unlikely.

So Stuart was Anna's married name - so not the Anna baptised in 1857:

The whole family were born in Belfast.

Elizabeth Stuart
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1911
Name: Elizabeth Stuart
Gender: Female
Age: 23
Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation to Head: Daughter
Residence Date: 2 Apr 1911
Townland/Street: Crumlin Road
District: Clifton
County: Antrim
Household Members:
Name Age
Anna Stuart 54
Mary Stuart 30
Elizabeth Stuart 23
Annie Stuart 9
Bride Stuart 17
Gertrude Stuart 14
Vincent Stuart 12
Henry Stuart 29
James Stuart 25


In 1901:


Anna Stuart
in the Web: Ireland, Census, 1901
Name: Anna Stuart
Gender: Female
Age: 47
Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation to Head: Wife
Residence Date: 31 Mar 1901
Townland/Street: Chief Street
District: Shankill Ward
County: Antrim
Household Members:
Name Age
William Stuart 48 - Co Tyrone
Anna Stuart 47
Lizzie Stuart 14
Kathleen Stuart 7
Bride Stuart 10
Annie Stuart 12
Mary Stuart 24
Gertrude Stuart 4
Henry Stuart 22
Vincent Stuart 2
James Stuart 17
Elizabeth Mc Hale 82 - mother-in-law, born England


Mary Jane Stewart
in the Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Name: Mary Jane Stewart
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 21 Jul 1875
Birth Place: Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
Father: William Stewart
Mother: Anna Mchale
FHL Film Number: 255934

Henry Stewart
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Henry Stewart
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1877
Baptism Date: 25 Feb 1877
Baptism Place: St Patrick's, Belfast city, Antrim, Ireland
Residence Place: Nelson St
Parish Variants: Donegall Street, Belfast, St. Patrick's
Diocese: Down and Connor
Father: William Stewart
Mother: An McHale

William Stuart
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: William Stuart
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 9 Apr 1879
Baptism Date: 13 Apr 1879
Baptism Place: St Patrick's, Belfast city, Antrim, Ireland
Residence Place: Patt St
Parish Variants: Donegall Street, Belfast, St. Patrick's
Diocese: Down and Connor
Father: William Stuart
Mother: Anna McHale

I think Elizabeth was born in Belfast and living in Clifton,Antrim in 1911 census. Don't know anything more about Anna yet

Re Anna - do you know if Stuart was her married or birth surname?
If her married name, then obviously the Anna who was baptised in 1857 isn't her.

There were quite a number of Elizabeth Stuart/Stewarts born in various parts of Ireland in and near 1888.

Do you know where in Ireland she was born?

Thanks that's all interesting info. Do you have any further info on the daughter Elizabeth (birth date etc to see if it's possible that she was my grandfather's sister

Just in case:


Annam Stuart
in the Ireland, Catholic Parish Registers, 1655-1915
Name: Annam Stuart
Baptism Age: 0
Event Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 1857
Baptism Date: 26 Mar 1857
Baptism Place: Armagh, Armagh, Ireland
Diocese: Armagh

Record is in Latin:
Infrascriptus baptizavi (sub conditione) Annam Stuart ([ something] Anglicana) . . .{something] Maria Hughes. Priest's signature is J Rafferty.

The undersigned baptised (conditionally) Anna Stuart ( English female ? possibly "of the Anglican church"?) . . . . . Witness? (or godparent?) Maria Hughes.


Interesting , if the child was either English or of the Anglican Church, and the RC priest baptised her - why? because there was no Anglican cleric to do it ??

Possibly not your Ann(a) - it's a very common name , but the English connection is intriguing.

And no parents are mentioned, whereas they are in other children's baptisms recorded on the same document.

One DNA match is of possible interest indicating 3rd to 5th cousin. This person's grandmother was Elizabeth Russell (nee Stuart) born about 1888 in Ireland whose mother is Anna Stuart born in Ireland in 1857 it is possible that Anna Stuart is also my great grandmother Anne Stewart.

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Good to hear from you again

This increases the likelihood that Annie Isaacson was the mother as I know the Isaacsons are English from my grandmother who was Annie's niece

Probably just a red herring, but Isaacs means laugh in Jewish and is supposed to come from Elizabeth's happiness when she conceived John the Baptist in her old age - Annie would have been 37

Unfortunately I'm not sure where to go from here!

If "Anne Stewart" was one of the Isaacson sisters, then she was English.


The Wikiwand quote posted on page 1 says "he appears to have been a Jew of Scottish descent", but that's not a definite fact. The Jewish idea is probably because of the name Isaacs, and the Scottish idea is because of the names Donald and Innes.

But really, we know nothing about his father.

A little more information - My father's DNA indicates that all his grand-parents are of English ethnicity (bar a few minor others) so this rules out Donald Isaacs or Anne Stewart being Welsh, Scottish or Irish (so no idea where all the Scottish names come from)

Looked at Florence Beatrice Innes, born 1886, to see if her parents had had a child who died - in case Mabel was her sister.
Unfortunately Florence's mother Mary Ann died in 1899, so the 1911 doesn't give any clue.

Hi ArgyllGran - Thanks for looking into this. I'll see if I can find anything more on Mabel Louisa Innes.

Ellen - parents James & Emma.
Ada - ditto
Charles - ditto
Henry died 1888.
Elsie & Ada Hester - parents Alexander & Alice

No sign of Donald, I'm afraid.

Now looking for Isaacs births - there were several in Bristol 1881-95.

Ellen 1882 mms Dyment
Ada Isaacs 1885 mms Dyment
Mabel Beatrice 1885 mms Thornell
Charles Edwin 1887 mms Dyment
Henry 1888 mms Foster
Elsie Emma 1893 mms Cole
Ada Hester 1895 mms Cole


Nothing linking with Anne Stewart, anyway. Haven't checked censuses yet re their fathers' names.

Florence Beatrice's parents were Richard and Mary.

Births Sep 1885 (>99%)
Innes Florence Beatrice Bristol 6a 20
(mms Sealey)


Births Sep 1886 (>99%)
Innes Mabel Louisa Bristol 6a 25

This birth isn't on the GRO site, so I don't know what her mother's name was.


she died in infancy:

Mabel Louisa Innes
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name: Mabel Louisa Innes
Estimated birth year: abt 1886
Registration Year: 1886
Registration Quarter: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Bristol
Inferred County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 19

I had an idea. I checked for other children born around the same time as my grandfather in Barton Regis, and there are quite a few, however I can not see parents on any - does anyone else have those details and if so do any of them match Donald Isaacs/Anne Stewart

If I think of anything else I'll let you know- keep us updated. I hate to see a mystery go unsolved.