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Yes Barbara's mother was Faith Harris, I have her birth cert.

Sorry, surely Barbara emigrated with Edward Ho(l)mes, and you can see those links to the graves?

Is this Barbara's birth registration, with mother's maiden name as Harris?
ROBERTS, BARBARA JANE HARRIS
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in WEST ASHFORD Volume 05 Page 11

Barbara was born in April 1848 on 1900 South Dakota census

The lady who contacted me said he was, I took it at face value as shes related. Im totally out of the loop with research, having had a long time off, but Id rather know. So Barbara didnt emigrate after all then and the children arent hers. Thankyou for doing this for me, I'll go back to my tree x

Why did you think he was Robert Edward Holmes?

Sorry - have been out all day. All I basically knew from certs is that Barbara's mother died just after childbirth and her father had died a few months previous. The births and deaths of the family were reg'd by a Naomi Roberts, Barbara's aunt. I couldn't find Barbara anywhere until a distant relation emailed to say she had emigrated to USA with a man named Mr Holmes, and married him. Of course its possible that this lady made a wrong turn in her research... Barbara was a Romany gypsy and her parents never legally married.
SO...... have I took a wrong turning do you think? And its just Edward Holmes not Robert Edward. Could Robert not just have been made by his middle name? Thankyou for reading x

So this marriage:
Marriages Jun 1869
Homes Edward E Ashford 2a 949
Roberts Barbara Jane E Ashford 2a 949

Edward Homes NOT Robert Edward Holmes

From the same bmd that malyon half-posted.

alviegal,

Think this is the marriage for that census:
Marriages Jun 1869
BROOKES Jane E. Ashford 2a 949
Cloke James E Ashford 2a 949

as there is this GRO birth:
CLOKE, THOMAS FREDERICK BROOKS
GRO Reference: 1869 D Quarter in EAST ASHFORD Volume 02A Page 664

not finding a birth for annie

Annie B. Holmes
Find A Grave Index
Name
Annie B. Holmes
Event Type
Burial
Event Date
1880
Event Place
Doland, Spink, South Dakota, United States of America
Photograph Included
Y
Birth Date
29 Oct 1870
Death Date
27 Feb 1880
Affiliate Record Identifier
30180809
Cemetery
Doland Cemetery

There is this James that would fit. Maybe his wife preferred her middle name? It is just speculation though.


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Brabourne, West, Brabourne, East Ashford, Kent, England


First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Cloke Head - Male 24 1847 - Kent, England
Transcription
Jane Cloke Wife - Female 20 1851 - Kent, England
Transcription
Thomas Cloke Son - Male 1 1870 - Kent, England

If she did marry in America (looking less likely), and that they were living in Wisconsin, have you tried looking for records here:

http://www.wisconsinhistory.org/

Has anyone found James Cloke after that marriage, with or without a Barbara, but probably need that marriage certificate to ensure correct people?

has there is only one Barbara jane Roberts born in uk in 1848 the one I posted and her marriage in 1869 she may have not married Robert Edward holmes

Thankyou I'm busy for the night now :) so happy to put meat on the bones of our Barbara. Thankyou x

The Ingersoll family tree on Ancestry gives this as their first child:

https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=30180809&ref=acom

and then keep on clicking for more information on others in the family.

Oh my goodness thankyou so much Patchem!!! I really appreciate this.

1930 census gives immigration year as 1871 - but these dates are usually regarded as unreliable.

Added:
1900 census says immigration 1870.

She also claims to be Welsh in some censuses, whilst in others a parent is Welsh and she is English.

She had 10 children, 6 still living for 1900 census in Spink South Dakota.

Barbara Holmes 52

Edna M Holmes 24
Albert E Holmes 22
James B Holmes 19
Arthur W Holmes 11
Walter R Holmes 8
Benjamin Holmes 6

Patchem, yes that's the baptism. I have an extensive tree covering her parents and her fathers side. Just trying to get marriage details and work out if she ran away with her husband; I cant see her before marriage in the UK.

I cant access USA census except 1880 as I dont have worldwide sorry but Im in touch with her descendant who doesnt know much. Her children were George, Edna and Edward. She died in Wisconsin.

Malyon - yes thats her birth and 1880 census report; and I have her birth cert but she married in USA thanks

could this be Barbara

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Barbara Holmes
United States Census, 1880
Name
Barbara Holmes
Event Type
Census
Event Date
1880
Event Place
Lodi, Columbia, Wisconsin, United States
Gender
Female
Age
32
Marital Status
Married
Race
White
Race (Original)
W
Occupation
Keeping House
Relationship to Head of Household
Wife
Relationship to Head of Household (Original)
Wife
Birth Year (Estimated)
1848
Birthplace
England
Father's Birthplace
England
Mother's Birthplace
England dward Holmes
Self
M
39
England
Barbara Holmes
Wife
F
32
England
George Holmes
Son
M
6
Wisconsin, United States
Dena Holmes
Daughter
F
4
Wisconsin, United States
Edward Holmes
Son
M
3
Wisconsin, United States