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Can anyone help with the following family seeking children of

William Robert Hogarth b 1886 died April Q 1957 Bridgwater,Somerset Retired Tea planter. he was married to Esther Lane b 1877 Bedminster,Westbury,Gloucestershire d 1952 High Patch Churchill,Somerset.

Esther could have been born Florence Esther LANE she was in 1901 with her family father John William and siblings.

I cant find Florence/Esther Lane in 1911 census or a marriage or children.

I would like to find names of children younger son Richard Lane Hogarth b 1919 died in1944. cant trace his birth but the information of his parents and his address of Churchill Somerset was on the obituary notice.

Is there a family listed in 1939 register?

Thank you

If he was a tea planter could he have married and had children born abroad

Hi Shirley

I had that thought just as I was typing Tea Planter, is there a site for foreign births marriages.

So Richard died in WW2

Richard Lane
Last name Hogarth
Death year 1939-48
Year range 1939-1948
Rank Lieutenant
Ship or unit M.T.B. 383
Service branch R.N.
Record source GRO War Death Naval Officers Indices(1939 to 1948)
Record set British Nationals Armed Forces Deaths 1796-2005

Rank:Lieutenan
Date of Death:19/07/1944
Age:25
Regiment/Service:Royal Navy H.M.M.T.B. 211.
Grave Reference: G. 10. 26.
Cemetery:HASLAR ROYAL NAVAL CEMETERY
Information:Son of William Robert and Esther Hogarth, of Churchill, Gloucestershire.


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England Billion Graves Cemetery Index
First name(s) R L
Last name Hogarth
Birth year -
Death year 1944
City Gosport
County Hampshire
Country England
Cemetery Haslar Royal Military Cemetery
Suffix RN
Death date 19 Jul 1944
Image link http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/R-L-Hogarth/8036178
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Deaths & burials
Collections from Great Britain
copyright BillionGraves http://www.billiongraves.com 2012

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Hogarth Household (2 People) , Axbridge R.D., Somerset, England
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First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
William R Hogarth 01 May 1869 Male - - 202 1
Esther Hogarth 02 Apr 1879 Female - - 202 2

Yes his Torpedo boat was sunk in Normandy, there is a search for his family members as his sailors whistle has been uncovered and family members are sought so it can be given to them,

As his obit says younger son looks like he had siblings, perhaps family could be at home in Churchill in 1939.

Thanks safc looks like no family at home in 1939

Not seeing them on the 1939 register


If a marriage or births were reg in the British consulate then the record will e in consular recrdscon FMP,

Not seeing anything

Perhaps the informant on Williams death cert could be famliy

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Births Dec 1912 (>99%)
Hogarth Cecil G Lane Lichfield 6b 911

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Marriages Dec 1946 (>99%)
Hodgkiss Thomas E Install Portsmouth 6b 1045
Hogarth Cecil G Martin Portsmouth 6b 1045
Instrall Nellie Hodgkiss Portsmouth 6b 1045
Martin Agnes R Hogarth Portsmouth 6b 1045

Going on birth date in Safc post of 1869 I have now found a listing of passenger list coming from Bombay India in 1919
Mr W R Hogarth Tea planter age 49
Mrs Hogarth 35
Master P Hogarth son 7
Master R Hogarth son 6 months

This will fit with Richard birth 1919

Thanks for the help looks like he was born in India.

I had incorrect date of death for William Robert should be 1954 address Clifton .
The Probate was granted to Dr Thomas Benjamin Dixon who I have located as his brother in Law, Esther Lane Hogarth's sister Bessie married Dr Dixon.

Thanks again

if no family can be found
give the whistle to the imperial war museum

just read about it in the papers

Abby

Two more births (both daughters) mentioned in the papers

Western Daily Press - Monday 07 October 1907

Births
HOGARTH Oct 3 Chulsa Dooars, Bengal, India, the wife of W R Hogarth, a daughter
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Western Daily Press - Tuesday 24 May 1910

Births
HOGARTH 10 Upper Belgrave Road, Clifton, May 23 the wife of W R Hogarth , Dooars India, a daughter.

This is the GRO ref for this daughter:
HOGARTH, GRACE MARY (Mother's maiden name: LANE)
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 1
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This is possibly the Master P (for Patrick?) on the shipping record:

First name(s) William Patrick
Last name Hogarth
Birth date 23 Jan 1912
Baptism date 5 Feb 1912
Place Saidpur
Presidency Bengal
Father's name(s) William Robert Hogarth (tea planter)
Mother's first name(s) Estler Florence
Archive reference N-1 Folio 87
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Also wondered if this was Richard's birth mistranscribed? The date of arrival on that shipping record was February 1919- so a child of 6 months would be born 1918.

British India Office Ecclesiastical Returns
First name(s) Richard Law
Last name Hogarth
Birth year 1918
Birth date 1918
Baptism year 1918
Baptism date 1918
Place Darjeeling,St Andrew
Presidency Bengal
Father's first name(s) -
Father's last name Hogarth
Mother's first name(s) -
Mother's last name -
Archive reference N-1-430
Folio 207

Marriage was in Ceylon:

Western Daily Press - Saturday 08 December 1906

Marriages
HOAGRTH- LANE. Dec 5 at Columbo Ceylon, WIlliam Robert Hogarth Chulsa Tea Estate, Dooars Bengal India, to Esther F Lane, daughter of John William Lane, Imperial Road, Clifton.

William Patrick's death:

First name(s) WILLIAM PATRICK
Last name HOGARTH
Gender Male
Birth day 23 January 1912
Death quarter 1
Death year 1994
District Basingstoke
District number 4911A
Register number A37C
Entry number 146
Date of registration mm/yy 0194
County Hampshire

Probate:
HOGARTH William Patrick of Springfield Up Nately Basingstoke Hants died 31st Decmber 1993 Probate Winchester 4 February.

William married Audrey Margaret Oliver in 1938- two children born Salisbury. Audrey died 1995.

The daughter born in 1907 was Elizabeth Louise Hogarth.

Elizabeth married Cyril E Bucke in 1937. At least 2 daughters.
She died 1990 in Somerset.

Thank you Austin for all the information you have found, i will follow this up and contact the man who found the Whistle and hopefully he can pass it to a family member.

Details of a relative with a tree on here and another relative on eroll 2012 posted on the Navy news FB page.
plus http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/INDIA/2007-07/1185349678

Thanks for the link Nyx

I have found the Tree Holder and sent her a message, the son of Richard's brother mentioned is the man I hoped to find.

I have emailed the Daily Mirror where the article was printed last week in hope of finding family to return the Richard Hogarths sailors whistle.