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Hi Horace Blackman married Mary Jane Dean in july 1896..I am trying to find out if they had any children. Thankyou.

Hi Horace Blackman married Mary Jane Dean in july 1896 in Frindsbury Kent i am trying to find out if they had any children. Thank you.

The reg district for the marriage is Strood.

Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Blackman Horace John Strood 2a 1069

1901 census??

Horace J Blackman
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Spouse: Mary J Blackman
Birth Place: Tenterden, Kent, England
Civil Parish: Frindsbury

Ecclesiastical parish: Frindsbury St Philip and St James Upnor
Town: Upnor
County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Registration district: Strood
Sub-registration district: Strood
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 719
Folio: 114
Page Number: 21
Household schedule number: 13

Household Members:
Name Age
Horace J Blackman 23
Mary J Blackman 23
Alfred G Blackman 4
Horace V Blackman 3
Wife and sons born Frindsbury
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1911

Horace John Blackman
Age in 1911: 34
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: St Michael, Kent
Civil Parish: Frindsbury
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County/Island: Kent
Country: England
Street address: 4 Hayden Street, Frindsbury, Nr Rochester, Kent
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 15
Estimated Marriage Year: 1896
Occupation: Farm Labourer
Registration district: Strood
Registration District Number: 45
Sub-registration district: Strood
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 103
Piece: 3864

Household Members:
Name
Horace John Blackman 34
Marry Jane Blackman 34
Alfred George Blackman 14
Horace Victor Blackman 13

2 children born to the marriage, both living

Medway, Kent, England, Poor Law Union Records, 1836-1937

Horace John Blackman
Gender: Male
Admission Age: 37
Birth Date: 19 May 1877
Admission Date: 19 Jan 1915
Admission Place: Strood, Kent, England
From Whence Admitted: Frindsbury Extra
Record Type: Admission
Parish or Poor Law Union: Strood Union
Register: Admission and Discharge (1913-1916)

he was a farm labourer

Thank you DetEcTive for your help.

Son Horace's baptism

Place (link for place information) Upnor
Church name St Philip and St James
Register type PR
Register entry number 644
Baptism date 27 Feb 1898
Person forename Horace Victor
Person sex M
Person abode Lower Upnor
Father forename Horace John
Father surname BLACKMAN
Father occupation Labourer
Mother forename Mary Jane

http://freereg2.freereg.org.uk/search_queries/new

Do you have his death?

Horace J Blackman
Birth Date: abt 1878
Date of Registration: Jun 1966
Age at Death: 88
Registration district: Maidstone
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 5f
Page: 492

1939 Register??

Kent County Mental Hospital , Maidstone M.B., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Role DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Horace J Blackman Patient ? ? 1878 Male Farm Labourer Married 2 31

Ref: RG101/1750A/008/5 Letter Code: DIBS© Findmypast Ltd

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Wife Mary Jane Blackman

Blackman Household (1 Person) 5 Blacklands Farm Cotts , Strood R.D., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Mary J Blackman 13 Aug 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 117 1

Looks more like the month of May than August. Will submit correction

Two children born after 1911:

Births Jun 1914 (>99%)
BLACKMAN Ernest W Dean Strood 2a 1398

Births Mar 1919 (>99%)
Blackman Phyllis M Dean Strood 2a 897

Horace Jnr?

Blackman Household (7 People) 2 The Brook Snodland , Malling R.D., Kent, England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Horace V Blackman 10 Feb 1898 Male Store Keeper Cement Works Married 207 1
Helen M Blackman 07 Aug 1894 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 207 2
Ellen I Blackman 09 Apr 1920 Female Shop Asst Newsagent & Stationary Single 207 3
Horace J Blackman 06 Sep 1923 Male Junior Clerk Single 207 4
Victor Blackman 27 Dec 1930 Male Junior Clerk Single 207 6
Lily B Blackman (Stevens) 23 Feb 1909 Female Paper Sorter Single 207 7
Mary J Stevens (Calliss) 19 ? 1905 Female Unpaid Domestic Married 207 8

Death
Horace Victor Blackman
Birth Date: 10 Feb 1898
Date of Registration: Sep 1980
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Maidstone
Inferred County: Kent
Volume: 16
Page: 1119

Marriage
Horace V Blackman
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1919
Registration district: Strood
Inferred County: Kent
Spouse: Ellen M G Stevens
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 1718

A guess at Ernest's death:

Ernest William Blackman
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007

Name: Ernest William Blackman
Birth Date: 2 May 1914
Date of Registration: Jun 1994
Age at Death: 80
Registration district: Leicester
Inferred County: Leicestershire
Register Number: H48C
District and Subdistrict: 6001H
Entry Number: 261

Another guess -

at Phyllis's marriage ???


Marriages Sep 1938 (>99%)
Blackman Phyllis M Davey Maidstone 2a 3848
Davey Stanley H Blackman Maidstone 2a 3848


EDIT:
No, I think that's this Phyllis:

Births Dec 1915 (>99%)
BLACKMAN Phyllis M Jarrett Maidstone 2a 1546



???
Phyllis Mary Davey
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Phyllis Mary Davey
Birth Date: 18 Feb 1919
Date of Registration: Dec 2003
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Ipswich
Inferred County: Suffolk
Register Number: C30B
District and Subdistrict: 747/1C
Entry Number: 9


There were two Davey/Blackman births in Maidstone, 1940 & 1946


EDIT:

another possible marriage:

Marriages Jun 1946 (>99%)
Blackman Phyllis M WISE Maidstone 2a 2963
Wise Roland J Blackman Maidstone 2a 2963


Birth year is right, per 1939 register:

Balston Household Maidstone M.B., Kent, England
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth year
Phyllis (M) Wise (Blackman) 1919


Per FreeBMD, there was only one Phyllis M Blackman born 1918-20 in all England/Wales. (There was a Phyllis born in Elham in 1918, who married as Phyllis M in Elham in 1939)

1939 Register for Alfred George Blackman?

Blackman Household (3 People) 24 Walton Gardens , Grantham M.B., Lincolnshire (Parts of Kesteven), England

First name(s) Last name(s) DOB Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule Sub Number
Alfred G Blackman 21 Dec 1896 Male Vertical Boring Mill Operator Married 45 1
Willie R Blackman 11 Sep 1894 Male Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 45 2
Joan M Peatman (Blackman) 16 Jan 1923 Female Shop Assistant General Grocer Single 45 3
+ one closed record

He's the only birth reg which fits the dates

Births Mar 1897 (>99%)
Blackman Alfred George Strood 2a 593

Death
Alfred George Blackman
Birth Date: 21 Dec 1896
Date of Registration: Sep 1969
Age at Death: 72
Registration district: Grantham
Inferred County: Lincolnshire
Volume: 3b
Page: 224

His possible marriage

Marriages Jun 1922 (>99%)
BLACKMAN Alfred G Rase Strood 2a 1558
RASE Nellie K Blackman Strood 2a 1558

Joan M Blackman who married a Mr Peatman, was their daughter
Births Mar 1923 (>99%)
Blackman Joan H Rase Strood 2a 1204

The closed record 'might' be another daughter born in Strood in 1924

from the new GRO Index



BLACKMAN, ALFRED GEORGE mmn DEAN
GRO Reference: 1897 M Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 593

BLACKMAN, HORACE VICTOR mmn DEAN
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 600

BLACKMAN, ERNEST WILLIAM mmn DEAN
GRO Reference: 1914 J Quarter in STROOD Volume 02A Page 1398



that's a very big gap in births

Yes, Sylvia, but not impossible.

Mary Jane would only have been 41-42 when Phyllis was born in 1919.

Re the apparently late births of Ernest and Phyllis -

There's only one other Blackman / Dean marriage in Kent after Harold J & Mary Jane's.

That's in Lewisham in 1919:

Marriages Mar 1919 (>99%)
Blackman Harold Dean Lewisham 1d 1673
Dean Lily E Blackman Lewisham 1d 1673

It's presumably not a second marriage for your Harold, as Mary Jane's still listed as married in 1939.

Sorry i am a bit late with your reply for the Blackman family. you have worked hard. Thank you for your help everyone Regards CDU.