Genealogy Chat

thanks for your help everyone - I've tried all your suggestions but still no success

I wont give up :-)

Have you tried looking through the photos on this site : http://collage.cityoflondon.gov.uk/

On the next page of the 1881 census there is another pub called the Crown and Sceptre further along the street. According to Google this has now been demolished but it is something else to search for as any photo of this might also show The Ship Inn.

Kath. x

thanks for your help. Matilda Beer is my Great Great Grandmother - I have all this info plus more newspaper reports where she had a run in with the law for watering down the ale!

I would love to find a pic of the pub - think I need to trawl the London archives.

I was just hoping that maybe another Genes member has researched the same area. :-)

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Shad Thames, St John, St Olave Union, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Gender Age Birth year Birth place
Ann Kempton Female 50 1791 Surrey, England Victualler
John Kempton Male 10 1831 Surrey, England
Frances Kempton Female 20 1821 -
Ellen Dailly Female 15 1826 Ireland
Joseph Parker Male 20 1821 -
George Fuller Male 20 1821 -

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Ship Public House, Shad Thames, Saint John Horsleydown, Saint Olave Southwark, Surrey, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Catherine Hasler Head Widow Female 63 1788 Victualler Shooters Hill, Kent, England
Richard Plush Son Unmarried Male 30 1821 Carman Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Catherine Tipper Daughter Married Female 34 1817 - St Thomas, Surrey, England
James Tipper Son In Law Married Male 50 1801 Carman Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Catherine Tipper Grand Daughter - Female 11 1840 Scholar St Saviour's, Surrey, England
Alice Tipper Grand Daughter - Female 1 1850 - St Johns, Surrey, England
Susan Taylor Servant - Female 16 1835 Servant Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Richard Hall Visitor Widower Male 28 1823 Labourer Bow, Surrey, England
William Gore Lodger Married Male 63 1788 Shipwright Margate, Kent, England
Edwin Gore Lodger Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Shipwright Margate, Kent, England

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
The Shop, Shad Thames, St Johns Horselydown, St Olave Southwark, London, England <<<<<<(original says The Ship)

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Brown Head Married Male 48 1813 Victualler Scotland
Mary C Brown Wife Married Female 55 1806 - London, Middlesex, England
Thomas Elston Boarder Unmarried Male 31 1830 ... London, Middlesex, England
Alfred Edwards Boarder Unmarried Male 12 1849 ... Cumberland, England
John Hicks Boarder Widower Male 28 1833 ... Bermondsey, Lancashire, England
Thomas Rose Servant Unmarried Male 28 1833 ... -
Alfred Edwards Boarder Unmarried Male 14 1847 General Clerk St Pancras, Middlesex, England

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Shad Thames (The Ship), St John, St Olave Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Richard Harris Head - Male 51 1820 - Surrey, England
Jane Harris Wife - Female 43 1828 - Kent, England
Ann Harris Daughter - Female 15 1856 - Kent, England
Matilda Ohler Visitor - Female 40 1831 - London, Middlesex, England

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
94, Shad Thames the Ship, Horsleydown, St Olave Southwark, London, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Matilda Beer Head Widow Female 54 1827 Licensed Victualler Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Agnes Beer Daughter Single Female 24 1857 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
George James Son In Law Married Male 25 1856 Lighterman Bermondsey, Surrey, England Tr
Sarah J James Daughter Married Female 27 1854 - Stepney, Middlesex, England
Walter G James Grand Son Single Male 3 1878 - Surrey, England
George A James Grand Son Single Male 1 1880 - Surrey, England
Florence Beer Grand Daughter Single Female 4 1877 - Surrey, England
Mary A Spooner Servant Single Female 18 1863 General Laborer Camberwell, Surrey, England
John Morris Servant Single Male 28 1853 Barman Brighton, Sussex, England

Try google

http://pubshistory.com/LondonPubs/SouthwarkStJohn/Ship.shtml

http://bermondseyboy.lefora.com/topic/4484868/The-ShipShip-InnTavern

Does anyone have any information on the Ship Inn, Shad Thames in the 1800's?

I would love to find an old photo or print of the pub. The London bombing maps show it was hit during the war.