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Name: Alfred Cain
Estimated birth year: abt 1889
Age: 24
Spouse: Maud Mary Beal
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1913
Parish: Parish Chapel, St Pancras
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Charles Cain (Scaffolder)
Spouse Father: John Edward Beal
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: William Duffield & Ellen Beal <<<<<<<<<<<<
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Name: Elizabeth Cain (186 Weedington Road)
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Age: 19
Spouse: Herbert Stanley Armstrong
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 27 Mar 1910
Parish: St Martin, Kentish Town
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Charles Cain (deceased, Labourer)
Spouse Father: John Armstrong
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Maud Mary Beal & William Duffield <<<<<<<<<<
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Name: William Cain
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Age: 23
Spouse: Rosa Ashard
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Dec 1904
Parish: All Saints, Clapton Park
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Charles Cain (Scaffolder deceased)
Spouse Father: Frederick Ashard
Register Type: Parish Register

Witnesses: Charles & Laura Farmer
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Name Charles Cain
Estimated Birth Year abt 1873
Age 22
Spouse Mary Ann Hornett
Spouse Age 21
Record Type Marriage
Event Date 24 Nov 1895
Parish St Andrew, Haverstock Hill
Borough Camden
Father Name Charles William Cain (Labourer)
Spouse Father Charles Bass
Register Type Parish Register

Witnesses: Charles WIlliam Cain & Mary Ann Hosier <<<<<<<<<<<<

The 2 Cane births with MMN Hosier that ArgyllGran posted:

Bertie Cane

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Bertie Cane
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 1 May 1885
Father's name: Charles William Cane
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cane
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 13 April, private baptism.

Joseph Cane

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Joseph Cane
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 30 May 1893
Father's name: Charles Cane
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cane
Parish or Poor Law Union: Haverstock Hill St Andrew
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 1 Jan. 1893. (Not sure about this one, it doesn't give Charles's middle name and he's now a bricklayer's labourer where before he was just labourer and address now is 180 Weedington Rd. where before it was just Hampstead.)

http://www.genesreunited.co.za/boards/board/records_office/thread/916235?d=desc

(Karen on above old 'Thread' has below, and more)

Chris :)

Hi Jane, I hope that you can help me. My grand-dad Joseph Henry Cain DOB 11/10/1897 Hampstead reg 7/12/1897. His fathers name Charles William Cain thats all I know about him. His mothers name Mary Ann Cain maiden name I believe is Bass 1875. On my grandads birth cert it says " When and where born" 2 Elm Cottages Elm Row Heath St. I dont know if he had any siblings.

. Mary Bass was married before she married my grandads dad. Her former husband was Augustus Hornett who died in mar 1895 and she then married Charles Cain in dec the same year.


Edits (as below for that)

CAIN, JOSEPH HENRY (BASS)
GRO Reference: 1897 D Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 634


1901 (Find My Past)
Charles Cain Head Married Male 27 1874 Labourer General Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Mary Cain Wife Married Female 26 1875 Laundress St Pancras, Middlesex, England
Charles Cain Son Single Male 5 1896 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Joseph Cain Son Single Male 4 1897 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Tom Cain Son Single Male 2 1899 - Hampstead, Middlesex, England
Street Upper Park Road
Parish Hampstead
County London
Municipal ward Belsize
Registration district Hampstead
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 122
Folio 92
Page 35


(if below)

CAIN, CHARLES THOMAS (Bass)
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 115


CAIN, THOMAS WILLIAM HENRY (BASS)
GRO Reference: 1899 J Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 622


Deaths Jun 1901 (>99%)
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Cain Thomas William H 2 Hampstead 1a 395


Burial Register summary

Cain Thomas William Henry
Burial date 27 June 1901
Location Camden

https://www.deceasedonline.com/

(if anything else relating on above)


(Baptisms for Joseph Henry, Charles Thomas. London, Ancestry. Hampstead. Both 1897. Oct. 31st. 2, Elm Cottages)

(also)

CAIN, FREDERICK WILLIAM (Bass)
GRO Reference: 1901 J Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 634

(his Baptism, Hampstead. 1901. 21st June. (Born May 16th 1901) 76, Upper Park Road)


1911 (Find My Past)
Charles Cain Head Married Male Labourer Servant 37 1874 Hampstead
Mary Ann Cain Wife Married Female Char Woman 36 1875 Kentish Town
Charles Cain Son - Male Shop Boy 15 1896 Kentish Town
Joeph Cain Son - Male School 13 1898 Hampstead
William Cain Son - Male School 9 1902 Hampstead
Polly Cain Daughter - Female School 7 1904 Kentish Town
Rosey Cain Daughter - Female School 5 1906 Kentish Town
Edy Cain Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Hampstead
Freddy Cain Son - Male - 0 1911 Kentish Town
Address 121 Malden Road N W
Parish St Pancras
County London
Census reference RG14 PN744 RG78 PN26 RD9 SD4 ED1 SN355
(Married 16yrs, 8 children born, 7 living, 1 died)


Births Sep 1903 (>99%)
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Cain Mary Ann J Pancras 1b 142


Births Sep 1905 (>99%)
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Cain Rose Elizabeth Pancras 1b 136


Births Jun 1908 (>99%)
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Cain Edith Violet Hampstead 1a 624


Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
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CAIN Frederick A Pancras 1b 119

(above 4 have Bass, from GRO Index)

How do you know that 'your' Charles' father was Charles William?

Don't know if this is connected:-

Baptism
Name: Solomon Cain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 13 Mar 1876
Father's name: Solomon Cain (deceased- Plasterer)
Mother's name: Rebecca Cain
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

There is also this baptism:

Name: Albert George Cain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Jul 1879
Father's name: Solomon Cain
Mother's name: Rebecca Cain
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Solomon is crossed out and under Rebecca is written 'Single woman'

Think this is the marriage that Nadine found (On Ancestry)

Name: Charles Cane (Bachelor)
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1854
Marriage Date: 2 Nov 1873
Marriage Age: 19
Marriage Place: Birmingham, St Mark, Warwickshire, England
Spouse: Elizabeth Hosier (Spinster)
Spouse Gender: Female
Spouse Marriage Age: 17
Father: Solomon Cane (Plasterer)
Spouse's Father: Joseph Hosier
Reference Number: DRO 33
Archive Roll: M25/M283

Both living Garbett Street
Witnesses: William Hawker & Sarah Robinson

Here are another couple of Cane /Hosier births :

CANE, BERTIE HOSIER
GRO Reference: 1885 J Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 651

CANE, JOSEPH EDWARD HOSIER
GRO Reference: 1893 M Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 151


And Bertie's death:

Deaths Mar 1886 (>99%)
Cane Bertie 0 Hampstead 1a 567

and probably Joseph's as well (he's not on the 1901 census):

Deaths Jun 1893 (>99%)
Cane Joseph 0 Pancras 1b 116

Posting this just in case relevant - no mms given - maybe one of Charles and Elizabeth's?? :

CAIN, SOLOMAN -
GRO Reference: 1874 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 597 Order

Which site did you find it on, Nadine?

Can you copy/paste the record here, please?

I found the marriage certificate on another website which listed the father as Soloman Cain.

Am I missing something here? How do you know, Nadine, that the father of Charles William on the marriage to Elizabeth Hosier is listed as Solomon? Also is this not the marriage of Charles William Sr.?

Thanks MargaretM for that info!

Only problem with that one ArgyllGran is that the marriage between Charles William Cain and Elizabeth Hosier has Charles's father listed Soloman Cain when my Charles's father is Charles William Cain (snr)

Safc posted the GRO entry today at 17:33, showing Charles William's mother's maiden name as Hosier.

So he's definitely the one whose birth I posted earlier, the son of Charles William & Elizabeth and we're back to square one, Elizabeth's maiden name?

Edit: Oops, looking back I don't think I posted it.


Charles William Cain

in the London, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
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Name: Charles William Cain
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 3 May 1874
Father's name: Charles William Cain
Mother's name: Elizabeth Cain
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hampstead St John
Borough: Camden
Register Type: Parish Registers

Born 6 Jan. 1874.

OK, got it. He was 22 and she was a widow aged 21.

Mary Ann Hornett

in the London, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
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Name: Mary Ann Hornett
Estimated birth year: abt 1874
Age: 21
Spouse: Charles Cain
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Nov 1895
Parish: St Andrew, Haverstock Hill
Borough: Camden
Father Name: Charles Bass
Spouse Father: Charles William Cain
Register Type: Parish Register

Sorry she was Mary Ann Hornett when she married a second time to Charles


First Name CHARLES
Last Name CAIN
Gender Male
Year 1895
Spouse
Image Quarter 4
Country England
County London
District PANCRAS
District Number
Registry Number
Volume 1B
Page 78
Line Number 91
Entry Number
Category Births, Marriages & Deaths
Record set England & Wales marriages 1837-2008
Collections from Great Britain

Charles Cain married one of the people below:

Mary Ann HORNETT
Lucy Elizabeth FELMINGHAM
Eliza COX

I think it's always best to work backwards, Nadine, from facts that you know and you seem to be doing that. You say you're working back from Frances M. Cain born 1915 to Charles William Cain & Mary Ann Bass. Trouble is I can't find that marriage anywhere.

Would anyone be able to help me find the correct wife? or even family?

I dont think the Charles Cain i have married Elizabeth Hosier.